1G (VR4 4G63) into CC GSR timing side engine mount

[3VOLUTIONIST]

Hi guys,
I'm trying to sort out what I'll need to buy for when the new engine gets swapped into my GSR.
Parts I have:
VR4 timing side engine mount (part that bolts to the block)
VR4 chassis side mount (Part with the rubber in it that curves around to the front of the engine)
VR4 Power steering bracket (The bit with the two extra studs)
Cusco CE9A timing side engine mount (chassis part with rubber insert and three bolt/stud holes)
VR4 Timing cover.
VR4 Water pump.

Right. What I'm trying to figure out, is whether there is some combination of parts, that will allow me to use the Cusco mount, not have the additional studs at the front of the engine (purely because of the appearance), and also seal the timing components. Yes I am willing to buy additional parts if necessary.

I watched Jafromobiles 1Gina2G video, where he hacks up a 2G timing side mount to clear the 1G water pump. However he then has to hack up his timing cover/s to make them fit. Which also means they wouldnt seal properly.
Yes I am aware the easy thing to do is just use 3 out of the 4 cusco mounts and not bother with the timing side one. But I'd prefer to use all 4.

 

[doo doo]

Buy the evo 1-3 engine block mount, trim it to clear the water pump and trim the cover to fit the mount, put the cusco insert top half on- I don't think there's any other way around it that you can buy. But I understand where you're coming from too, and I'm working on modifying the vr4 engine block half to fit an evo 1-3 top mount half to get around the water pump/ timing cover issues.
Just for the record, if you put the vr4 side mount on it sits the engine about 20mm too low, so you need to modify it anyway to fit the engine level.

 

[3VOLUTIONIST]

Yeh, that was the method I watched Jafro do (here for anyone interested:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIm4QeN3xQ)
The only problem I can see with that method is that the timing cover wouldn't be sealed across where he has cut it up, and I'm concerned about water getting in there.
Would using the 2G water pump help at all? Or does that create more problems then it solves..

 

[evo-gsr]

Plenty of people run it with out the top cover over the cams....water getting in there is the least of your worries mate.

 

[3VOLUTIONIST]

Plenty of people run it with out the top cover over the cams....water getting in there is the least of your worries mate.

Yeh I dont think it would realistically bother it. But I'd like to have it all complete. And no cam cover is just asking for a yellow sticker here.. (I'm one of those young hoons)
Plus, my rocker cover and cam cover have a matching pattern on them so I want to use both

Ill probably just end up doing it like doo doo said. 2G mount, modify timing covers, and try and make it seal, somehow..

 

[evo-gsr]

I wasnt suggesting to run it without it. It was merely a way of pointing out that modifying it to fit the mount and your concern of water leaks was a bit out there , considering that plenty of people do run without the top cover on at all.
HTH

 

[khubner1]

while i bet people are going to roll their eyes.

with my 4g92 head on a 4g93 block they don't meet where they are supposed too. the 4g92 head is physically taller than the 93 head while the block is actually shorter so even though both use the same covers when you combine them as i have they don't fit properly.

ny point is the ~10mm gap between the two is a non issue the goal of the coveres is to more protect the belt from things that could get get caught in there and damage or dislodge to belt the cover do nothing to protect from moisture or fluid ingress they are there purely to prevent hard object interference.

i believe jafro's goal was to have the two covers fit and line up as if they were factory and would have them overlap like they do normally

 

[doo doo]

You can only use the water pump for the particular block, the bolt holes are different between 1g and 2g. The 1g front cover should meet up with the top cam gear cover, it's only were the mount goes through that you have an issue- Jafro goes to a bit more extreme lengths there, I'm not sure it's necessary. I'm currently fitting an evo mount ot a 6 blot block so i'll have a closer look at the front cover options tomorrow and post up what i find.

 

[3VOLUTIONIST]

Ok. Stuck with the modding the timing cover method then. All good.

Other question is the power steering. Do I have to use the CE9A power steering bracket assembly to fit my GSR pump up to the 2L? (I'd just prefer not to have the leftover engine mount studs)

 

[Cranked]

Just hack the timing cover. It's easy enough

 

[Cranked]

The front vr4 engine mount u can just unbolt it and use the vr4 pump setup

 

[EVO-00X]

I had my top part of the 1G GVR4 engine mount cut and modified to put the engine at the correct angle. It's made of steel, not cast, so you can modify and weld it fairly easily provided you do a lot of measuring and checking against an EVO engine in a CC Lancer as reference. Once angles were sorted, the engine mount was re-welded and powder coated. It kept everything stock GVR4 throughout but with the modified top engine mount, it now fits in a CC Lancer I don't mind having the large GVR4 top engine mount. Yes it's big, but it provides extra bracing support above the power steering pump to bolt onto as well (two big ass studs and nuts on the front of the engine). Plus it was done in 2000 (16 years ago) before anybody really was getting into chopping and changing parts over between 6 & 7 bolts as EVO parts were hard to come by at the time and there was no DIY about it. Pics of my mounts attached.

On a mates car, we used the 6 bolt block but EVO I-III engine mount. Had to grind a section away from the EVO lower engine mount to clear the 6-bolt water pump which was easy. Then still used the GVR4 timing cover, we just made the plastic timing case cover hole a bit larger to fit over the EVO mount. See the other attached pic showing a front-on view of the EVO I-III lower front engine mount against the GVR4 6-bolt waterpump. You can clearly see where it needs to be cut.

Then you have the fiddly way that Jafro did his as shown in the video.

I guess it comes down to how you want to do it, but it can be done several ways.

 

[3VOLUTIONIST]

Pretty sure I've got the mount sorted, I'm now looking at what I'll need for the power steering. I have:
-the GSR's power steering pump/lines/bracket (all currently in the car)
-The 6 bolt front engine mount bracket thing & the black power steering bracket that the pump sits in.

I've got new ribbed pulleys for the water pump & will be using a ribbed crankshaft pulley, so I need to use a ribbed PS pump obviously. So, if I use an Evo III pump and connect it to my GSR's lines, what additional parts will I need.
Eg, will I need the highlighted parts to make an Evo III pump fit?

 

[Cranked]

I just used the 6 bolt pump and brackets with the gsr lines.

 

[doo doo]

If you have the evo power steering pump you'll need the v belt pulley to go behind the water pump pulley, assuming the evo 3 p/s pump uses a v belt (like the evo 1 and 2), the vr4 is ribbed. You can use either evo or vr4 p/s pump, just use the appropriate pulley that goes behind the p/s pulley to suit ie ribbed or v belt.

 

[3VOLUTIONIST]

If you have the evo power steering pump you'll need the v belt pulley to go behind the water pump pulley, assuming the evo 3 p/s pump uses a v belt (like the evo 1 and 2), the vr4 is ribbed. You can use either evo or vr4 p/s pump, just use the appropriate pulley that goes behind the p/s pulley to suit ie ribbed or v belt.

?? The galants used a V-belt, the Evo's used Multi-Vee belts.
My GSR pump is a multi-vee belt but I'm not 100% sure If I can use that pump, nor what brackets I'll need to mount it correctly.

 

[doo doo]

Ah yep, the Evo belt is robbed and vr4 is V- I just built a 7 bolt motor that came with a v belt p/s pulley on the pump and matching pulley behind the water pump pulley. My observation is that the pumps and brackets between the vr4 and Evo are physically the same and will both bolt on to either engine. The belt doesn't run off the crank but off the pulley behind the water pump pulley. As long as that pulley matches the p/s pulley (ribbed or V) then you just use the appropriate belt and it'll work.