Evo Lancer Intercooling - now with pics - 219.7KW

[JSTYLE]

Just making a post to let everyone who loves DIY stuff about this.

My evo has run 118mph on the factory cooler. However i think that this is beyond the limits of an Evo cooler and that its holding me back. So basically i have afew options. Most of the intercoolers you will see on this thread will be ones that you can obtain widely and they arent that expensive either:

1. Jap Spec VR4 Intercooler (comparision/picture display only)
2. Evo I - III Lancer Intercooler
4. Hybrid 450 x 300 x 75mm Intercooler
5. Hybrid 600 x 300 x 75mm Intercooler

1. Jap Spec VR4 Intercooler
- Came out on the Jspec VR4's. They have been rated at around 200kw ATW, i do think that they will flow that much but i think it will be out of its efficentcy range.

2. Evo I - III Intercooler
- Came standard on the Evo I - III Lancers. Very good stock intercooler with alot of flow. Would recommend it for cars seeking around 200kw, its very efficent at this much power in my opinion.

3. Hybrid 450mm Intercooler
- As seen on eBay you can pick these up for under <$200 these days. I wouldnt scrub them off tho, as i think that they would flow more then the standard Evo I - III Intercoolers. They are a much thicker and taller item yet they still seem to fit in the stock compartment for an Evo.

4. Hybrid 600mm Intercooler
- Also as seen on eBay, these can be picked up for also under <$200. These seem to be really good and great bang for buck. There is one on an Evo I that has run 11.5 @ 117mph in N.Z. However i dont like the size of this as it sticks out too much. these however do not fit too well on an Evo.

I will be adding more pictures etc of the install of intercooler number #3 in the next few days/weeks.

Just a run down and pictures of what options you have if you have an Evo and you want to do it on a budget.

Enjoy the pics!

Jon

 

[olly]

nice jon.. we need more DIY post i think..

btw nice lip

 

[tharaka]

i really dont think the hybrid coolers would flow better

 

[GSRSOL]

i really dont think the hybrid coolers would flow better

im with you on that one.

Hybrid coolers have too much pressure drop, not enoughs fins per row, and really really bad flow charecteristics both through the inside of the core, and air moving across the core. Thats what you get when you try and mass produce something with slave labour :lol:

If you want a bigger better cooler, have a look on www.ARE.com.au

but be prepared to fork out $800+, but they are the best you can get IMO.

In the meantime, an easier upgrade would be to an EVO456 or 7/8 cooler. They are not wider, but taller, so more rows, and in addition the positioning of the entry/exit ports are better for flow than the EVO123 ones.

my 2c 8)

 

[runuts]

i really dont think the hybrid coolers would flow better

im with you on that one.

Hybrid coolers have too much pressure drop, not enoughs fins per row, and really really bad flow charecteristics both through the inside of the core, and air moving across the core. Thats what you get when you try and mass produce something with slave labour :lol:

If you want a bigger better cooler, have a look on www.ARE.com.au

but be prepared to fork out $800+, but they are the best you can get IMO.

In the meantime, an easier upgrade would be to an EVO456 or 7/8 cooler. They are not wider, but taller, so more rows, and in addition the positioning of the entry/exit ports are better for flow than the EVO123 ones.

my 2c 8)

While I would generally steer clear of a cheaper component here. Genuine Hybrid bar and plate coolers flow incredibly well, and have proven themselves time and time again. They use a garrett ballistic concepts intercooler core, this is fact. Hybrid copies do not, but the genuine item does, hence why it still fetches a substantially higher price than the copies. And yes, garrett cores are made in china.

Jon, unless you plan on going beyond 400hp@engine, the standard evo 3 core, with enlarged inlet/outlets will work just fine. These are your biggest restriction in standard form.

 

[tharaka]

hybrid and hybrid copies are the same thing

hybrid is a company that puts all of its money into marketing/advertising

 

[JSTYLE]

Tharaka and GSRSOL:

You guys havent used these intercoolers before.. your talk is all heresay. I would however agree that the ARE coolers would flow a little more due to the design etc of them BUT im not going to go out and spend $800 + on an intercooler that im not going to use to its maximum potential. If i was building say a 400HP ATW motor then i would talking about going bigger and better but i dont think its valid atm. I know of guys running very good figures with the hybrid styler intercoolers and there is always alot of guys jumping on the cheap isnt good bandwagon which is normally true but in this case i dont think so. A guy i know had one on his FWD turbo lancer which ran 11.8 @ 130mph.. need more proof?

RUNUTS:

My motor is powering my car to 118mph. I havent had it on the dyno ever since my 187kw but ive read up and talked to guys who have run the same mph as me. These guys claim anywhere between 220 - 260Kw ATW. So i think it would be fair to say that my car is near pushing 400HP at the fly. I didnt want to start a debate about what i have just said but i thought i would add that because i have spoken to alot of people here in australia and overseas about the setup etc.

This is the estimate Horse Power at the flywheel


/ 118.76mph (mph) \ 3
Horse Power = | ------------------| x 2950
\ 234 /

Do the above sums! Should work out near 391HP


Another reason for the upgrade is that the condition of my intercooler isnt as good as its former glory. You can see by the pics that it has had a little of a hard life and i think it has lost abit of its quality/p[otential because of that.

Jon

PS: my posts about these are not to start debate, im posting my views and what i think is holding the car back. Once all done ill post results of what it has improved/loss etc.

 

[tharaka]

I know about hybrid coolers because my friend imports them and sells them, as well as the hybrid copies

 

[GSRSOL]

I know about hybrid coolers because my friend imports them and sells them, as well as the hybrid copies

And I just wouldnt touch one with a forty foot pole.

Waste of money. Why spend around 500 for a GENUINE hybrid cooler, when for an extra 300 you can get something that is VASTLY superior in every way?

just an opinion i guess.

stick with a genuine MITSU one, theyre built good from factory.

 

[JSTYLE]

I know about hybrid coolers because my friend imports them and sells them, as well as the hybrid copies

And I just wouldnt touch one with a forty foot pole.

Waste of money. Why spend around 500 for a GENUINE hybrid cooler, when for an extra 300 you can get something that is VASTLY superior in every way?

just an opinion i guess.

All heresay again.. I know of many fast cars that have a hybrid cooler. With hybrid coolers i think its the case that people want to make themselves feel good after they have spent 800+ on a better brand intercooler yet when they find out that something that you can pickup for half the price of a 'brand' name is as good and probably more then what they roughly require on there car.

Times cars lay down with hybrid coolers speak volumes over the opinion of people who havent even touched a hybrid cooler.

Jon

 

[GSRSOL]

well, hypothetically

you put a hybrid cooler on your car
ill put a ARE cooler on mine, same core dimensions,

same engine specs

whose car would put out more power? You cant tell me it would be the hybrid one. The end tanks on them are terrible!

On a close to stock engine, like yours, 600 x 300 core is too big anyway. What you gain in cooling capability you lose in pressure drop.

And really, its not heresay. Its physics. :wink:

 

[BobWrinkle]

Ok I want for looks sake an ic that fills my entire front bar grill in my VR4.

Will i lose much performance over one that is off a evo 3-8??

 

[JSTYLE]

well, hypothetically

you put a hybrid cooler on your car
ill put a ARE cooler on mine, same core dimensions,

same engine specs

whose car would put out more power? You cant tell me it would be the hybrid one. The end tanks on them are terrible!

On a close to stock engine, like yours, 600 x 300 core is too big anyway. What you gain in cooling capability you lose in pressure drop.

And really, its not heresay. Its physics. :wink:

Ok lets put it to practice:

A guy i talk to in NZ has the following specs:

- Evo I
- Stock bottom end
- Small 16g turbo
- AEM Ecu
- Hybrid 600 x 300 x 75mm with 2.5' piping

Result: 11.56 @ 117.5mph

Enough proof?

Oh and im going to be using the 450 x 300 x 75mm one not the bigger one.

Jon

 

[GSRSOL]

not really

because with that much power, a GOOD intercooler would probably get him a better time.

if you just look at the cooler, the way the inlet/outlets are set up mean that any air going through the cooler only passes through the bottom rows. Not efficient.

 

[veerfour]

400hp?? from a small16g.

I would of thought your turbo was restricting you before the cooler.

 

[MADVR4]

im using a copied hybrid and i must say there is automatically a huge difference..... from standard jspec.... im in with jon on this one...

maybe some1 should go talk to rob at created.... he has a nice skyline there... its a mate of mine he ran 11.6 with a hybrid cooler.... i dunno if he is still using it but when that car is done it should run 8-9sec passes....

alot of mechanics are using the cheaper ones becoz they have the same potential as the $800 ones....

dont forget tuning here guyz cant wack a fat ass cooler on a car and then run 7psi hoping to make a huge difference....

so good on u jon for posting something constructive.... let us know how the testing comes along

cheers Grant-

 

[MADEVO]

Thank God!!!!

 

[GSRWRC]

I have a couple of mates running Hybrid 600x300 bar and plate intercoolers and both have put out reasonable power. One on stock internals (Evo engine into 4WD Mirage) putting out 219kWs at the hubs. Basic mods being a 22g Td05/06 3" exhaust, Walbro and Autronic plug in ECU. Had put out 190kWs at the wheels on the stock ECU and ran 11.6 (Cant wait to see this run with the new power)

The other is a 4WD Lancer MX (Ex Deisel :lol running a fully forged engine putting out 304kWs at the wheels and running 11.10 @ 207kph. Clutch issues the only thing holding him back from running tens.

One thing that the stock Evo coolers aren't really good for is flow. PHILDO (a 10 sec Evo 1 here in NZ) was running low 11s on the stock cooler but when replaced with a larger bar and plate he found boost pressures pick up significantly without touching anything.

Incidentally we also have an Evo running 10s on the stock turbo and intercooler, but that car is just a freak, and the driver is a demon behind the wheel!

Dont put down the Hybrid bar & plate coolers until youve tried them, they definitly do the job! Unless of course your more worried about what people will think if you say your running a Hybrid cooler over some bling bling Japanese brand.

 

[EVO-00X]

Most of the Japanese stuff is probably made in China like 90% of everything else lol :lol:

Joey's AWD converted 4G63DT Satria - 10.9 quarter pass @ 125mph (awesome time for what it is)... Stock GTi Satrias weigh at 1103kg kerb weight and this now has a 4G63T and AWD so its not exactly a huge weight saving as people may have thought. There's a lot of power yet to be tapped out of this little car and Joey's changing his setup and installing a rollcage and still retaining the Hybrid style intercooler so we'll see how it goes eh? 8) If a Hybrid style intercooler is good enough for that, then its good enough for me

 

[JSTYLE]

Most of the Japanese stuff is probably made in China like 90% of everything else lol :lol:

Joey's AWD converted 4G63DT Satria - 10.9 quarter pass @ 125mph (awesome time for what it is)... Stock GTi Satrias weigh at 1103kg kerb weight and this now has a 4G63T and AWD so its not exactly a huge weight saving as people may have thought. There's a lot of power yet to be tapped out of this little car and Joey's changing his setup and installing a rollcage and still retaining the Hybrid style intercooler so we'll see how it goes eh? 8) If a Hybrid style intercooler is good enough for that, then its good enough for me

Ditto!

Jon