Front setup for 5 stud conversion

[evo-gsr]

^hardest part is finding them!! And not paying thru the arse for them!! Magna method and redrilling the rears is the cheapest way of doing it IMO.
No probs John I don't mind helping you out man.

If you know someone with a workshop ( as I do) the pressing of the hubs IS the easiest part.
Remember the ad on tv?? Beer is the new currency!!!!!! A slab of beer and any job can be done for you...

 

[boostboy76]

If someone is wrecking an Evo IV, could I just buy the front & rear hubs off of it & use those?

 

[sleepy]

What would be the best way to upgrade to 5 stud whilst also having a set up for upgraded 4 pot brakes ? Are there any Evo hubs that can be used as boostboy mentioned or are any of the lancer/magna hubs direct bolt on for GTO Brakes/Evo brembo's ?

 

[boostboy76]

Yeah, that's why I'm hopeful Evo IV hubs would work, even if only for the fronts.

Are Evo IV equipped with Brembos? Maybe I could buy the hubs & brakes & do a 5-stud & Brembo upgrade in one swoop!? :w00t:

 

[DOUGMO]

I have done a few posts detailing everything you need for 5 stud on here.

evo4 dont have brembos but the brembos do bolt up

 

[GSRWRC]

Evo IV hubs fit the earlier lancers, but you'll need the front arms to go with them (Evo IV balljoint fits the hub differently to the Evo I - III).
No Evo IVs didn't come with Brembos, but Evo V - IX Brembos will bolt straight to Evo IV hubs.

So in summary:

Evo Brembos + Evo IV front arms/hubs = Brembo conversion.

The tricky part is finding wheels to suit. Factory Evo V/VI rims are the easy option, but unfortunately if you want aftermarket rims they tend to only do 17x8" in the right offset. Which will cause clearance issues in the rear of the earlier cars.

 

[evo-gsr]

if your still using the e3 knuckles-(the hard way!!) your still gonna need the bracket to fit calipers to hubs made up( on fronts -if still using E3 knuckles etc)

rears you have the handbrake issues which george covers in his thread.





EDITED: to avoid confusion!!

 

[DOUGMO]

almost jamo, if you run the evo4 front knuckles and hubs which you need the arms for as above the brembods bolt straight on as do
the evo 5-9 rotors - its very easy.

the right custom bracket for the rear still allows the use of the handbrake

 

[khubner1]

what about gto rears.

 

[DOUGMO]

hubs?

you can use, awd magna,legnum,evo 4-6 (and I think the later also)
not sure about gto but maybe, just need to check spline counts inside the hubs

 

[boostboy76]

I tried searching "5 stud conversion" in this forum, but it couldn't even find this post, let alone Dougmo's!!

If someone else is having better luck, can you cross reference the link to Dougmo's original post here?

Anyway, in conclusion:
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Fronts: Evo 4 front hubs + knuckles + arms = Works

Pro's - Can fit Evo 5/6/7 etc Brembo calipers

Cons: Uses an uncommon offset not commonly available from aftermarket wheel manufacturers
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Rears: Evo 4 Rear hubs = Works **

** = Need custom bracket made up in order to be able to hook up rear handbrake

Pros: See above (?)

Cons: Ditto
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[DOUGMO]

the front all bolts on.

with the rear you can press the bare hub from a 4-6,magna.legnum etc.... into the original 1-3,gsr bearing.
you can then either run an fto rotor for the back(same as 1-3.gsr but 5 stud.)

to mount the brembo on the back you need a custom made bracket, the one I have allows the rear inner drum to still be used
if you want(for the handbrake)

 

[86psi]

could u fit the whole evo 4 rear cradle aswell then with the evo 4 control arms you could run wider rubber is this true

 

[DOUGMO]

alot of work but I have seen it done. the main reason you cant fit bigger rubber is the space between the trailing arm and the inside of the guard.
so if you wanted to flare/pump out the guard bigger will fit.

the evo4 runs a curved trailing arm which will give you more space on the inside so it might work.

you would need to run the 4 diff though and the ratios are different so its not as simple as it may seem to get it all
to work properly

 

[evo-gsr]

almost jamo, if you run the evo4 front knuckles and hubs which you need the arms for as above the brembods bolt straight on as do
the evo 5-9 rotors - its very easy.

the right custom bracket for the rear still allows the use of the handbrake

George i was talking as though still using the E3 front knuckles with a custom bracket -as opposed to changing to later model ones- which definately sounds easy as.......sorry for the confusion!

John- halfway down this page and for the next few pages after....
http://www.4gtuner.com/index.php?/topic/3271-dougmos-evo2-project/page__st__1080

 

[86psi]

alot of work but I have seen it done. the main reason you cant fit bigger rubber is the space between the trailing arm and the inside of the guard.
so if you wanted to flare/pump out the guard bigger will fit.

the evo4 runs a curved trailing arm which will give you more space on the inside so it might work.

you would need to run the 4 diff though and the ratios are different so its not as simple as it may seem to get it all
to work properly

i might have a look at doin this custum fabrication work is my speciallty so wonder if i can do it and still retain the evo 3 diff

 

[DOUGMO]

if you do it thatway you dont need to change the front arms.

and if you do change the front arms and its an evo1 or a gsr you need to change the front sway bar (If you change the sway bar to evo 2/3 you need to have the provision for the link on the s trut aswell) or use custom links for it.

 

[evo-gsr]

^which was one of the reasons why I used that method....bit less fucking around...sort of :lol: :lol:

 

[boostboy76]

This link seems more conversational of an entire build project, as opposed to a "how to" fit Evo IV hubs to a GSR/ Evo I/II/III ??

I really can't find anything apart from the occasional mention or pic of the 5 stud hub/disc/trailing arm assembly !?

F*ck it, this is all far too confusing for someone who isn't a machinist or mechanic by trade, or at least a very keen & experienced amateur mechanic.

I'll just grab some FTO fronts as per the evopwr's how to, and get my existing rears converted to 5 stud.

What wheel options are available once you do this though? Are you stuck with the same sort of eird offset problem encountered if going down the Evo IV path?

 

[DOUGMO]

what do you need to know? how to actually bolt it all on?

do you just want 5 stud front and rear? or 5 stud with brembos?


if your 4 or 5 stud the hubs are in the same position so you have the same offset on either.