garrett turbos rant from another forum

[D3bb4]

Anybody read this? wonder how legit it is???

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851

"I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If youre building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywells golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subarus. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please dont spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that its costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I wont dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I dont care about grammar Im concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and dont forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

 

[evopwr]

Damn! And here I thought Honeywell did the right thing buying Garrett!

Well, it says it all; buy a genuine mitsu td06-20g and you'll be sweet knowing you have a quality japanese product!

 

[EVO-00X]

Gee thats a shame. I hate seeing the good name of a company built on the back of sweat, blood and years go down the drain when those in control have gone.
Cross fingers that quality control is still up to the task, however judging by the cheapass pathetic turbos coming out of China at the moment, Im sceptical.

 

[Dean]

MMM Indeed to everything Rob said.
If there's one thing I learnt while at uni, that was to invest in quality. Spending a little extra at the beginning will save you alot more in the end.

 

[evopwr]

Thats debatable deano.

Say you buy a car and plan to sell it within acouple of years (as alot of people do).

Knowing that chinese parts have a lifespan of about 2 years (perfect examples: mobile phones!), it would be a wise choise to deck out the car with chinese goodness and sell it to some unlucky P-plater with mere months left on the 'chinese warranty'

I'd never do that though, as its completely out of my ethical/moral range!!

 

[Dean]

Nah, I meant more so when entering into business, based on the Garrett/Honeywell story.
Using your above example, if you entered into business with that mentality, you wouldnt get any customers after that, as your reputation will be tarnished.
Honeywell are now taking the cheap option aswell, and whilst for the short term might appear to make profits due to lower production and manufacturing costs, in the long run, their reputation will decline which will ultimately lead to lower profits.

 

[WindeX]

Thats when they shut up shop or sell the name to someone else to build it up again then the cycle continues It happens with everything from PCs to car parts.

 

[ONPSI]

OMG just brought a Garrett turbo too

Bad to see shit like this happening..before too long it seems China will own half the world due to cheap build costs. You almost can't look at anything these days without seeing "Made In China"

 

[EVO-00X]

^^ That's the problem. They are going to be an economic superpower!!
So in the future, does anybody want to fly to the moon in a Chinese made rocketship? lol

 

[D3bb4]

alot of industries are rejecting things made in china until they up their quality, so their costs are going to go up if they want to keep trading.

 

[mannynz]

^^ That's the problem. They are going to be an economic superpower!!
So in the future, does anybody want to fly to the moon in a Chinese made rocketship? lol

Or drive 110km/h on a freeway in a chinese made car. Yeah Right

 

[runuts]

Garrett has been manufacturing in China for a very long time, can't see it causing any issues.

 

[Entaran]

Mining companies don't use anything made in china. Everything's manufactured here or in Europe.

When peoples lives count, you don't buy chinese.

 

[bazeng]

There are both good and bad things made in China.

Just remember, back in the days before alot of us, Japan had the same label China has today.

With practice and experience, The Chinese skill in manufacturing / design will improve.

Also, I know ALOT of brands that use made in China parts BUT are labelled as domestic made.

 

[EVO-00X]

Shits me how things can be 'made' in Australia but do not entirely have to be made here.
It has to state 'product' of Australia to be a 100% Australian product.

 

[D3bb4]

baz, the problem is that their manufacturing methods and techniques (in some industries at least) are dodgey. With mining example: they weld pipes together without prepping them for example, so the welds crack because they don't have full penetration, so now nobody wants their products. Is a case where; they might have the ability to produce better goods, but the time involved and slower production rate, they choose not to.

 

[bazeng]

Yeah, but that might be some companies, not all.

You'll be suprised to find that some top end guys manufacture stuff out of China.
I know top brand Jap companies (ie GREDDY) sell intercooler kits with coolers made from China.

 

[D3bb4]

we did a test at uni for a big name performance workshop, comparing hardnesses of greddy cams to chinese rip off ones. chinese ones weren't anywhere near the hardness of the greddy ones

but yeah, i agree. some places might be alright, just not all, and is dragging down the reps of anybody manufacturing there.

 

[FRANK-E]

yeh i know what ppl are saying its a shame that ppl are going to china to get stuff made.

im not sure that if many ppl know that the company Simmons wheels (australian/nz based company) shut up shop last year and sold the moulds to a company in sydney.i found out that the company is now going to get china to make the wheels.now being in the metal industry and knowing that china dont make the best steels im abit worried on buying another set of "simmons" -_-

reason being.......will the quality of the wheels be the same?