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I am thinking of putting a H4 HID kit into my triton..and maybe the wifes car.....but before I do would like some feed back from people that have used the kits.

Do the H4 globes actually dip? I know that the centre section of some of them seems to move in and out thus changing the focal point but do they work in practice? I have seen a lot of badly aimed HID lights coming towards me...is that a result of a stuck globe? what is the reliablity like on the globes....I believe the light source should last a while but what about the dipping mechaism.

I have tried a few of the high wattage 130/90 normal type globes and have the wiring there to carry the appropriate current but the globes over heat at the base when you are staionary and stuff up when you are driving. Nothing worse than being out in paddock at night at reasonable speed and suddenly have the lights go out.

Ive looked at some of the kits on ebay and thought some might be worth a try as they are less than a hundred dollars...

brian
 
Mate, I have had a few sets of these in various cars. The only issue I have had is a blown ballast and I think it was because of a intermittent earth.
Get the 4300k kit, the 6000k look cool but have crap penetration, the 3000k are pretty yellow but may get better with age. The 4300k ones are great.
Some cheap kits don't have the dipping mechanism even though they are listed as h4. Look at the kit for the extra wiring, and control box, and bulbs with the motor and shield.
I have never installed bixenons in a reflector as old as a cc lancer, but in the mrs 2005 tuscon, the low beam cutoff was much better defined with the hid. This will mean that if properly adjusted, they should be glare free.
The cut off line should be 0.5 degrees down from horizontal. When projected onto a wall, each lights cut off line looks like \__
I slightly turn them in so at say 25m the left and right patterns overlap. I used to have them both straight ahead, but it's not so good.

Also, only get the 35w kit as they are bright enough. The 50w kits hurt my eyes because the signs on the roadside illuminate so brightly, and make me fatigued at night. And they are only brighter ballasts, the bulbs are exactly the same, so I presume the bulb life is reduced by running 50w through 35w bulbs.

They are heaps better than 130/90 normal bulbs.
Get some cheapies and I'm sure you will like them.
 
***ANY*** H4 HID kit will blind people and scream for a defect.

HIDs are meant to be used with HID projectors headlights. H4s aren't used in halogen headlights even.

The half decent, but still not-legal way to go, is to retrofit a HID projector, buld and ballast.

Check out www.theretrofitsource.com/ - heaps of info and kits available. I'm probably going to order some gear off them later this year.
 
D3bb4 said:
***ANY*** H4 HID kit will blind people and scream for a defect.

HIDs are meant to be used with HID projectors headlights. H4s aren't used in halogen headlights even.

The half decent, but still not-legal way to go, is to retrofit a HID projector, buld and ballast.

Check out www.theretrofitsource.com/ - heaps of info and kits available. I'm probably going to order some gear off them later this year.
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Im not sure what you mean by H4s not being used in Halogen headlights?

H4 globes have been used in production cars here in OZ since the mid to early eighties...further ...the H4 globe uses a halogen gas inside.

please explain what you mean...
 
jack of all said:
It's such a pity that we can't get angel eye lights for cclancer sedan shape.
I am considering some for the usdm dodge colt and changing the screen inside to dip left instead of right.
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I have seen some of what you are talking about ...in the malasian sites. I might have a link somewhere
 
Ahhh, sorry... I meant halogen PROJECTOR headlights... Halogen projectors are for low beam only. H4s are low and high.

In some instances, putting HIDs into HALOGEN projectors isn't so bad. It's not ideal, but it's far better than putting a HID in a reflector headlight.

Ideally, you would use a HID projector though. The cost isn't insane, and the main legal fault is that it doesn't dip in accordance with ADRs.
 
Brian...you mean these? Not sure if these are for CC or CE but...they are very similar.


http://maxaudio.com.my/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=4219
 
http://www.altezzawarehouse.com/Dodge_Colt_MB9396PHL.html

These are the correct fitting ones I think, but they will dip right instead of left and they don't have projectors on the low beam. Grrr. I would have to pull them apart and change them.
A link for better ones would be appreciated for sure.
 
The HID conversion kits are mainly for low beam use in projector headlights and housings with no cast lines in them. If they have case lines in the housings, it should only be around the outer edge of the lens.
Normal headlights designed for halogen bulbs are easily noticed by the directional lines cast into the lens of the headlight. DO NOT FIT HID's into them.
Even if you buy a projector conversion kit for your normal headlight, again, if you have lines cast in your headlight lens, DO NOT FIT THE HID's.

I bought a 35w H1 HID conversion kit 6000k (45'-105' C) for my projector headlights but never ended up using them... mainly because it will add to the clutter in the engine bay and I cant remember the last time I drove my car at night anyway :lol: . If anyone is interested in buying the kit, let me know and you can have the kit for a cheap $40 + post (cost me $100 delivered in December). Brand new kit, unused with ballasts, globes and wiring. Would even make a good upgrade to spot lights if people didnt want to use them for off road use. The ballasts have a polished metal mirror surface with no stickers.
 
Because they are that much brighter, they don't progressively fade from the centre of the beam outwards. So if you leave your lights the same as they were with halogen globes you will go around blinding everyone as the beam is almost just as bright at the centre as at the outmost edges. Most people don't understand this and just leave the headlights as is. The other unavoidable one is if you are on uneven road, come over a hill or in close proximity to a car that is higher than yours with HIDs, you can get dazzled easily by them because of how bright they are. Having said that, in those examples even a car with stock HID's with projector lenses (bmw, audi etc) will still dazzle/be really bright.

As for picking up a yellow - get the 4300-4600 globes and you'll be unlikely to attract the extra attention as they just look like "normal" halogen "white" globes, they're just brighter. It's the 6000+ globes that are noticeably blue/purple and more likely to attract potential unwanted attention.
 
I'm running 55w H4 mechanical hi/lo's in my E6 and it's the best mod I could ever have done. Ya only need 4300-5000ks anything higher and ya will be cop bait plus they look ridiculous with colour exceeding 6000k. Want to do my H3 foglamps next.
 
I just put some h4 ones in the mrs Hyundai i20. I had to lower them down as they may be higher than halogens (maybe due to slightly different bulb position)
Hers has clear lens on front but is reflector style. I still think the hid has a better low beam cutoff line than the halogen.

But, as Brian alluded to, one of the bulbs had a dodgy actuation on the hi/lo movement. Even after pulling it apart and fiddling with it, I couldn't get it to work properly so had to replace it.
The mechanism is just a electromagnet to pull bulb in, and a spring to push it back out. Easy..
 

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