Info Transfer from Evo crew?

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penngwyne

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Was there not some discussion about getting RVR tech info from the Evo crew web site? Or was there some difficulty getting on to the sys admin. Lots of interesting stuff but so hard to read with the layout and colour scheme.

I'm probably only posting this because I'm sick of seeing the first post message.
 
The owner of evocrew does will not reply too emails, pm's, text or pick up his phone :(

After 2 weeks of trying too get hold of him...nothing
 
tborvr said:
He lives in brisbane somewhere, I now that much... I'll look him up on facebook.


I tried searching him on flossbook- no cigar..... No reply from email, or msn.

Apparently he has an EVO 8 now- but hasn't logged onto EVO OZ since April last year, or this club for 2 years.
 
vr401 said:
After all, we'll just have to copy and paste here. :(

No we cant do that Miodrag!

That will breach copyright......we will be doing this by the book...hence the need to find old mate:eek:
 
3zercrowd said:
No we cant do that Miodrag!

That will breach copyright......we will be doing this by the book...hence the need to find old mate:eek:
Ok, but I'll make some posts here that I posted there too. After all it's my info that I shared with them so I should have right to share with you too. :cool:
 
CLuTZ said:
I tried searching him on flossbook- no cigar..... No reply from email, or msn.

Apparently he has an EVO 8 now- but hasn't logged onto EVO OZ since April last year, or this club for 2 years.


I,ve got i'm on facebook bahahaha
 
3zercrowd said:
No we cant do that Miodrag!

That will breach copyright......we will be doing this by the book...hence the need to find old mate:eek:

I'd like to see his legal copyright papers. Even this place doesn't have a legal copyright since the name change.
 
3zercrowd said:
No we cant do that Miodrag!

That will breach copyright......we will be doing this by the book...hence the need to find old mate:eek:

Actually, copyright is held by the poster, so provided the people providing the information are registered on this forum and consent, then the copy paste is a good option.

If you check the T&C of most forums, copyright is held by the poster, and all information posted is legally bound to the poster, that way someone cannot take a forum to court in an attempt to sue if someone posts something breaching the law.

I'm already compiling information to make separate new threads, but the best thing anyone can do is follow up with the information from the original posters
 
Copyright exists on original intellectual property and is by no means an automatic right on anything posted. Anything that has a research component such as gathered part numbers is in the public domain and can be used at will.

If you worked out a repair procedure that was unique and posted it on a forum you have clearly put it in the public domain and copyright would be expensive and difficult to pursue.

Another aspect of copyright is that you need to be able to demonstrate a loss as a result of the breach such as lost sales or lost web traffic. I can't see how you can suffer a loss on an abandoned web site.

The terms and conditions on your web site can say whatever you like but can not over ride common law and may or may not be enforceable. Either way it would be expensive to run with a prosecution and there would be little to gain.

A whois search on evocrew.com gives the following:

James Orr
PO BOX 1523
Coorparoo DC
Brisbane QLD 4151
Phone: +61.412931019
[email protected]

If this does not work look it up in the white pages there are only 2 listings in Coorparoo.

I hope this helps

JohnS
 
JohnS said:
Copyright exists on original intellectual property and is by no means an automatic right on anything posted. Anything that has a research component such as gathered part numbers is in the public domain and can be used at will.

If you worked out a repair procedure that was unique and posted it on a forum you have clearly put it in the public domain and copyright would be expensive and difficult to pursue.

Another aspect of copyright is that you need to be able to demonstrate a loss as a result of the breach such as lost sales or lost web traffic. I can't see how you can suffer a loss on an abandoned web site.

The terms and conditions on your web site can say whatever you like but can not over ride common law and may or may not be enforceable. Either way it would be expensive to run with a prosecution and there would be little to gain.

A whois search on evocrew.com gives the following:

James Orr
PO BOX 1523
Coorparoo DC
Brisbane QLD 4151
Phone: +61.412931019
[email protected]

If this does not work look it up in the white pages there are only 2 listings in Coorparoo.

I hope this helps

JohnS

Hey John

You're correct in what you've said, but if I post an image on a forum it does not immediately make the image open within the public domain, Nor can you copy, save, distribute, modify or even quote it without it being a breach, much as a post is. Your words are your copyright.

This very post I quoted you on, is a technical breach of copyright, as I've taken your words, replicated them, and presented them in a post, as my own, even though I've credited you, without prior permission, I'm actually in a violation of copyright. However, if there was a T&C stating on joining the forum, that you agree to accepting someone quoting your words etc, then it would be allowed in is current form.

Copyright is such a grey area, and in the photographic industry is something I'm very passionate about, as I've had work stolen for financial gain, they could have paid a fee, but chose to steal my work instead.

in regards to T&C over-riding local law, this is correct. Recently a colleague of mine actually found that Tourism Australia had unfair T&C on a photo competition they were holding, in a technical sense, had they gone to caught, they government may have been liable for certain breaches. The funny thing about law (and this is my understanding) that it's how you interpret the law, and the text it's presented in. For example; If someone said "you can't wear a bow-tie on tuesdays" and it was set as law, you may be able to bypass it saying "well, it said tuesdays, I abided by it on the original tuesday that it was set on, and have only worn it on one instance, thus being a Tuesday, and not the plural "tuesdays". I may be wrong, but that is my understanding of law.

I do hope some good comes of all this, Eventually I do hope that Swoon gets back to people.
 
When I get back from overaseas i'll write him a letter. If anyone has any other information regarding contacting swoon directly, or knows him personally, can you please pm me. It's kinda frustrating it's taking so long to get this all sorted.


Cheers


dre
 
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