NCOP due to come in force 1-7-2011

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Word just in from a member of our rally club:

Hi all,

I have just got off the phone to one of our Senior Advisors in Queensland Transport.

At this stage the NCOP VSB14 will be rolled out and implemented on the 1 June 2011.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

LK section page 33

Every State is a signatory except NSW at this stage (my guess is that they will be signatories in the near future).

So what does this mean for us as rally people.

In a nut shell you will not be able to have a six point cage certified/mod-plated anywhere in Australia after 1 June 2011 unless your respective rego/uvp scheme allows for it.

At this stage Qld does not have any method of implementing a fix around this issue. I have briefed the QRAP Chairperson and the current Qld transport Rap portfolio holder. This essentially means that post June next year there will be no way to build a Cams/AASA rally car anywhere in the country.

For our sports sake please send an email to your current body representatives so that that can begin meaningful dialog with the relevant transport departments.
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This isn't just a problem for roll cages, it will restrict A LOT of other modifications as well.
 
there is a discusion on this over here... http://www.bmsc.com.au/forums/rallying-technical/25329-six-point-cages-illegal.html

I think in a nut shell its a big lot of huff over nothing... for true rally cars, our cars dont meet most of the ADR's anyway (things like height ajustable suspension, braided brake hose, non ajustble seats, no cat converters etc).. and these changes just cover the same issues, Each state that has a dedicated scheme has agreements to not meet these rules, and for thoes states that dont have a dedicated scheme have permits.

As for road cars, everyone knows that if you modify outside of the ADR's or other rules and get caught you will be slaped witha defect... I dont see any great change to that..
 
Velocity Racing said:
I think in a nut shell its a big lot of huff over nothing... for true rally cars, our cars dont meet most of the ADR's anyway (things like height ajustable suspension, braided brake hose, non ajustble seats, no cat converters etc).. and these changes just cover the same issues, Each state that has a dedicated scheme has agreements to not meet these rules, and for thoes states that dont have a dedicated scheme have permits.
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Not True Lewis. This is something I wish I knew more about 4 years ago before I built my current rally car.

Yes you can get exemptions from the ADRs for C plate cars (race/ rally imports), but there is no scheme in Queensland (nor in NSW I believe) that provide exemptions to Australian delivered cars. This is why down south they use UVP's instead (a whole 'nother can of worms).

As for road cars, everyone knows that if you modify outside of the ADR's or other rules and get caught you will be slaped witha defect... I dont see any great change to that..
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But for anyone wanting to do a bit of racing on the side and want some extra safety in the form of 6 point a roll cage (or if that is the minimum requirement by the governing body (including AANDRA), they will have to have the front legs removable for road use.
 
Velocity Racing said:
As for road cars, everyone knows that if you modify outside of the ADR's or other rules and get caught you will be slaped witha defect... I dont see any great change to that..
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If anything, this is probably a positive thing for SA.. Bring us back from the stone age and give us a fighting chance for legal modifications (not that I've had a chance to read through it yet)..
 
So when you state to be road driven.

Are you saying the bars from the B-Pillar across down your A pillar have to be removed Before you take it on the road?

So effectively having a 4point cage in place? So, no longer able to have completed welded in cages?
 
iluszn said:
So when you state to be road driven.

Are you saying the bars from the B-Pillar across down your A pillar have to be removed Before you take it on the road?

So effectively having a 4point cage in place? So, no longer able to have completed welded in cages?
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Yep, can't have more than a 4 point cage after 1-7-2010.
But this may apply even further such as can't mod plate for aftermarket seats etc. I haven't even started to read up on that side of things yet.
 
After reading the discussion thread, it appears to me that this only applies to road registered cars that are also used in motorsport events?

Here in, S.A. you could just get a CAMS license that permits you to drive a non registered race/rally car between events on a public road without having to worry about ADR compliance!?

I'm pretty sure if you stuck a roll cage in a road registered car and drove it around now you'd get defected?
 
boostboy76 said:
After reading the discussion thread, it appears to me that this only applies to road registered cars that are also used in motorsport events?
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The NCOP applies to ALL road registered cars, not jsut ones used in motorsport, of course that is where the biggest impact is though.

Here in, S.A. you could just get a CAMS license that permits you to drive a non registered race/rally car between events on a public road without having to worry about ADR compliance!?
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A cams licence permits you to do nothing. A race/rally car on concessional (C plate) rego allows exemptions from the ADR's. But of course if your car was australian delivered, or imported and complianced, you can't transfer it over to C plate rego.
 
GVR40 said:
will this affect cars that already have cages etc and are engineered and mod plated?
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That's the only good thing, it is not retrospective. So if you have your cage mod plated prior to 1.7.2011 (and the car registered prior to 1-7-2011), then you should be ok.
 
boostboy76 said:
Here in, S.A. you could just get a CAMS license that permits you to drive a non registered race/rally car between events on a public road without having to worry about ADR compliance!?
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well not exactly.... in SA we have a dedicated rally scheme, that is dedicated rally cars recieve full rego through the scheme, but this scheme is only availible to tarmac and gravel rally cars (as they are the only sort of race/rally cars that have a requirement to drive on the road. Transport SA no longer issue temp permits for competition cars to be driven on the road (other than in very limited circumstances)

As Rob said earlier there are different rules between each state as to how the registration works (or doesnt work).. in SA we have a very good scheme, other states are not so lucky at the moment... we we are able to transer any car onto dedicated rego once it is built as a rally car.
 

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