New wheels... offset's and shiz

[kayarubin]

just wondering whether the 18x8.5 's would be a wise choice for the ol' VR4 width wise... i'd just have to wear lower profile's on em with a slight stretch onto the rim right? e.g i have 205x50, 16's on 7.0 wide wheels on it at the moment so if i downsize the tyres to 215 or 225 by 40 or so and stretch them slightly on the 8.5 wide wheels they should be good for not scrubbing on slightly lowered springs....? i am absolutely in love with the TE37 style for the vr4 at the moment. i've just sent in a request for prices, shipping etc also.

pics + specs.

http://www.spincitytyres.com.au/htm...egoryid=18&p2005_sectionid=1&p2005_imageid=41

 

[iluszn]

I was looking at the 17x8 in black for my VR4.. There is a good link in misc tech (I think) for wheel/tire sizes.. you can input the factory specs.. and then input the size/specs of new wheels..

linky to thread

http://4gtuner.com/site/showthread.php?t=6662

 

[kayarubin]

thanks for the link bro! helps out alot with choices, looks like 225/40R18 is the way to go on 18x8.5's!

 

[iluszn]

now, will the rim width clear brakes/calipers/guards.. tires are no big deal... its the rim and offset.. 8.5 is pretty wide..

 

[rob323]

Considering my 205/60/15 semislicks just scrape on the inside of the front wheel well on full lock, I would expect that any further increase in width towards the inside will scrub and therefore reduce your turning circle.

You would probably need small 60 ID springs to be able to fit 8.5" wheels in the front, depending on offset.

I've also seen 7" wide wheels and 215 wide tyres scrub on the outside of the guard, but it all comes down to offset.

Oh, and I'm not a fan of the "I want to be like the japs" and stretch the tyres on the rims. It makes the corner blocks do more work than they need to and increases the risk of peeling the tyre off the rim.

 

[D3bb4]

I thought they don't make PCD of 4x anything with anything wider than 7.5" ??? Lenzo doesn't at least. Or such wheels are definately not common. Pic might be of smaller size as seems to have holes for 4 stud.

 

[JayRome]

I thought they don't make PCD of 4x anything with anything wider than 7.5" ??? Lenzo doesn't at least. Or such wheels are definately not common. Pic might be of smaller size as seems to have holes for 4 stud.

actually there are more wheels over 7.5" wide in 4X100 then there are for 4X114.3.. in our offsets.

but trying to find the right offset is the hard part.... cause there mostly made for 180's or AE86's..

 

[dedant]

i've got 18x8.5 on +16mm offset with 255/35 tyres
no inside clearance issues but flares for outside
finding wheels and tyres in that size is time consuming and expensive
without going widebody i'd go 7.5" with a 225 or 235 tyre

 

[jase]

i've got 18x8.5 on +16mm offset with 255/35 tyres
no inside clearance issues but flares for outside
finding wheels and tyres in that size is time consuming and expensive
without going widebody i'd go 7.5" with a 225 or 235 tyre

in that sort of offset (+16), then yeah, 7.5 would be a maximum. but most wheels people run on mitsi's are more between +30 to +40, so you can run a wider width.

 

[VR-4Squid]

in that sort of offset (+16), then yeah, 7.5 would be a maximum. but most wheels people run on mitsi's are more between +30 to +40, so you can run a wider width.

Er, no. If you have +40 offset any wider than a 7.5" rim will hit the suspension.
You need at least 5.5" backspace to clear the trailing arms in the rear, and the struts in the front.

for example a 9" wide rim would need +25 offset or lower to give you the right backspacing.

Decide what width wheels you want to run, workout what offset will give you 5.5" of backspacing, then roll/pull/bash the guards until they fit.

You don't need to go "wide body" or bolt on flares until your getting silly with wheel width/offset - the stock sheetmetal can easily be manipulated enough to accommodate 9" wide wheels (I'm in the process of doing this at the moment).

 

[jase]

Er, no. If you have +40 offset any wider than a 7.5" rim will hit the suspension.
You need at least 5.5" backspace to clear the trailing arms in the rear, and the struts in the front.

I forgot about struts.. I had coilovers. Meanwhile I chucked 16x8.5 +40's on mine for a few days when I first got it and didn't have any issues with it fouling on the trailing arms..? Did they change at all throughout the models?

 

[VR-4Squid]

I forgot about struts.. I had coilovers. Meanwhile I chucked 16x8.5 +40's on mine for a few days when I first got it and didn't have any issues with it fouling on the trailing arms..? Did they change at all throughout the models?

hmm, I just checked and 17x7.5 +40's give me just one fingers space between the rim and the trailing arm (15mm maybe?)

 

[iluszn]

so 17x8 +35 should fit?

 

[JAP63]

Look here


http://4gtuner.com/site/showthread.php?t=2457




17x8 @ +35
-will be approx 10-12mm outside your front guard @ 0 degrees camber. (depends on tyres)
-In the rear, it shoul dfit fine, there is that much camber adjustment if it were a problem you could just chnage your camber...and you will only need to if it is really low.


I ran 17X9 @+39in the rear and had it really really low and i made it fit.


I think i was wrong then with saying you can run up to 6.3 inches of backspace

Ive just done some calculations on my old setup and i came up with;

I fit 17x9@+39 in the rear, this required about 5 mm control arm trimming.
So id say to be safe, a 9 inch rim in the rear really want a +30 offset.

You need at least 5.5" backspace to clear the trailing arms in the rear, and the struts in the front.
for example a 9" wide rim would need +25 offset or lower to give you the right backspacing.
Decide what width wheels you want to run, workout what offset will give you 5.5" of backspacing, then roll/pull/bash the guards until they fit.

To workout the backspace for a 9@+30, itd be...
9/2=4.5 inches, thats the centre of the rim,
Hence the flange is now 30 mm further toward the outer so we'd see 4.5 inches + 30mm.

Thats 114.3mm (4.5 x25.4mm) + 30mm=144.3mm, or 5.7 inches

This is the max in the rear...5.7 inches..
The front is a little more generous...but not by much,around 5.7-5.8 inches willhave the rim and tyre flush with the guard (0 camber), and near no clearance left on the inside toward the stock shock.

Those figures (5.7 Inches in the rear) are pushing it.
I agree with you at around 5.5 inches to be safe, though if the cars low, it wont fit the stock guards
But it does work @ 5.7 in the rear, as i said i ran 9@+39 in the rear with a minor control arm trim and thats around 6 inches of backspace

Having said all this, you need a neat tyre as well, with 6 inches of backspace, i had a stretched tyre to fit it, wouldnt have worked without it.

 

[dedant]

how are you going to pump the rear guards near the doors to fit 9" wide wheels and what size tyres are you using

 

[JAP63]

Found this to show what can be done without guard mods.
I ran a fair bit of camber and toe to get around hitting th guard near the door, theres not much tou can do about that section,except run narrow and stretched tyres.

17x9@+39

 

[JAP63]

Found this to show what can be done without guard mods.
17x9@+39
I ran a fair bit of camber and toe to get around hitting the guard near the door, theres not much you can do about that section,except run narrow and stretched tyres.
Notice the tape holding on the "dogleg" skirt in the second photo, it knocked it a few times, but with a higher ride height it wouldnt be an issue...and when i went to 225/45/17 it cleared it by heaps.

 

[JayRome]

and a closer pik....

 

[kayarubin]

damn that looks nice and tough!

i'm after something along those lines. maybe not on 9 inch wides. but definitely looks nice! i sent off with the question of offset of the drifteks and they haven't got back to me as yet! but hopefully they do have them in the right measurements! keep ya's posted!

kaya.

 

[iluszn]

LOL im looking at getting the driftek in 17x8 +35. From all measurements in thsi thread.. they should fit no problems