Physio or Chiro?
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Entaran
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physio or massage.
Chiro's fix things by breaking other things. Don't ever goto one unless you can't actually move.
Chiro's fix things by breaking other things. Don't ever goto one unless you can't actually move.
tharaka said:
Interesting comment, I always thought thats what they called surgeons?
Do you know what the chiros do? What the objective of the chiro is? What is the purpose of the chiro in relation to the back? I'd be interesting to find out your opinion? I hear allot about chiros but everyone has an opinion but no one has any real experience. I think a lot of the info on chiros that goes around is 95% wrong. If anyone sees one regularly please post.
If you want a cheap patch fix, get some medications go see a gp or the supermarket isle or petrol station, its the same thing just no queuing.
If you want to go for a natural approach, all of the natural professions now hold govt/legislative qualifications. Some better than other depending on whats ACTUALLY going on. If its a mechanical problem you need to see a mechanical person, if its a soft tissue problem, you guessed it, a soft tissue person etc etc. The problem is that neither of these are gps trained with or proficient in detecting let alone referring out for.
I guess at the end of the day, you need to determine what results you want, if its pain relief and thats it take some pharmaceuticals, be done with it. If its anything more, you need to start educating yourself a little, because a physio and a chiro are two very different professions thus 2 very different patient outcomes.
acedsm said:
A chiropractor isn't a real doctor.
They go to TAFE and do a 3 month course, and voila, they're a chiropractor.
I have sciatica, when I prolapsed a disc in my spine, I went to see my GP, they told me to get an CT scan done. I did. I then went to see a neurologist to discuss the results. He wanted me to get an MRI done, so I did. After those results came back, I went and did physio. It's been more than a year, and the pain hasn't come back.
I trust a real doctors opinion more than a chiropractors hackjob attempt of fixing my back.
The definition of the term doctor originally came from the word "teacher" a person who has studied at the highest level of a physical science. This designation/suffix was reserved originally for PHD graduates AFTER a thesis was written and ACCEPTED by the attending university. Now they give doctorates to movie stars who help in third world countries, yes the same ones they give to medical students when they graduate. Even idiots like Bono and Arnold, accept honorary doctorates.
Your definition that other professions are not real doctors show no regard to the high level that they commit in there life to academia (depending on the profession) minimum 4 years full time UNIVERSITY study. Physio 4 years, Chiro 5 years, Dentist 5 years, with most doing a year of an externship. Last time I checked, and we are not talking about 38 points/6 papers BSc Science a year, this is 48 to 52 points.
Again I am asking you and Im sure people on this board want to make an educated choice if not now or in the near future. Can you tell us what a Chiropractor does and why, I am interested to hear what you seem to think they do or not do, since you have had previous experience.
Just to let you know GLI, if a profession is registered with the state board they are all primary care givers. What this means is you DO NOT need a referral if you choose a particular profession outside the medical doctor.
Your definition that other professions are not real doctors show no regard to the high level that they commit in there life to academia (depending on the profession) minimum 4 years full time UNIVERSITY study. Physio 4 years, Chiro 5 years, Dentist 5 years, with most doing a year of an externship. Last time I checked, and we are not talking about 38 points/6 papers BSc Science a year, this is 48 to 52 points.
Again I am asking you and Im sure people on this board want to make an educated choice if not now or in the near future. Can you tell us what a Chiropractor does and why, I am interested to hear what you seem to think they do or not do, since you have had previous experience.
Just to let you know GLI, if a profession is registered with the state board they are all primary care givers. What this means is you DO NOT need a referral if you choose a particular profession outside the medical doctor.
tharaka said:
No, but homer is also a fat slob who most probably deserves whats comming.
I actually frequent a chiropractor often, thats why I ask. What you/others have presented so far is totally incorrect and far from the real facts and thats what beefing me. This is not taking away another profession, but giving choice. I'm sure there are physio patients who would never see a medical doctor, and same for chiro patients who would chose the same thing. No profession is better than the other, they just all do different things for different things. I guess the natural therapy professions can be thought of as a process before total degradation. Sort of like eating and exercising and not smoking and drinking and looking after the human frame chemically/mentally and spiritually. Is there a direct NOW benefit, most probably. For later in life for sure. I guess when your looking up at the belly of the surgeons hand holding a knife and you ask "I should have done something sooner" its a bit too late.
I thought you guys might want to read these and get educated. What ever profession grinds your thrust bearing the most will be the best one for you!!
Informed consent. What is Physiotherapy
http://apa.advsol.com.au/
Informed consent. What is Chiropractic
http://www.chiropractors.asn.au/
Entaran
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Having spent the better part of my life doing everything that was heavy or strenous for my mother who has a crushed disc, sciatica and a variety of other back problems I can tell you straight to your face that her chiro is the only option available to her for relief.
But it's temporary.
She used to go only once a year, now it's down to every 3 months at a dead set stretch, and getting more towards every 2 months.
The process to repair her back lays in physically stretching it and somehow (i'm not sure exactly) moving the surrounding spine until the stress is removed. It is by no means an actual solution, more of a temporary measure.
After discussions with her chiro (who has a string of letters after his name that's two lines long), he informed me straight to my face that unless I wanted to KEEP GOING BACK, don't goto one in the first place unless I have no other options.
A physio will generally repair the damage or strengthen the body until it's not an issue anymore.
My mother's chiro is Ernie Lawrence, practices in the manchester unity building on swanston st in the Melbourne CBD and has for 30+ years.
But it's temporary.
She used to go only once a year, now it's down to every 3 months at a dead set stretch, and getting more towards every 2 months.
The process to repair her back lays in physically stretching it and somehow (i'm not sure exactly) moving the surrounding spine until the stress is removed. It is by no means an actual solution, more of a temporary measure.
After discussions with her chiro (who has a string of letters after his name that's two lines long), he informed me straight to my face that unless I wanted to KEEP GOING BACK, don't goto one in the first place unless I have no other options.
A physio will generally repair the damage or strengthen the body until it's not an issue anymore.
My mother's chiro is Ernie Lawrence, practices in the manchester unity building on swanston st in the Melbourne CBD and has for 30+ years.
CLuTZ
Diamonds are forever....
I wouldnt go to either of them- i'd go and see an osteopath!!!
you dont pay if they cant fix!
you dont pay if they cant fix!
I would go see a physio .. I have done chiro for my back ...
Started off twice a week, then once a week, then once a fortnight.. All the way down to once every couple of months... I was meant to do this for a while, but due to the cost I stopped... It did work and it did work well ... I had a dislocated pelvic joint, and it would pop out .. But yeah, I am use to it being out now so it doesn't matter...
My dad used the chiro (the same one) and his symptons got worse... Can't remember what his problem was tho ...
I have seen a sports physio when I broke my ankle (playing soccer) and he was brilliant ... I was told that he does physio for the Australian Rugby Union team ... Or something like that... He is not too far from my apartment ...
Started off twice a week, then once a week, then once a fortnight.. All the way down to once every couple of months... I was meant to do this for a while, but due to the cost I stopped... It did work and it did work well ... I had a dislocated pelvic joint, and it would pop out .. But yeah, I am use to it being out now so it doesn't matter...
My dad used the chiro (the same one) and his symptons got worse... Can't remember what his problem was tho ...
I have seen a sports physio when I broke my ankle (playing soccer) and he was brilliant ... I was told that he does physio for the Australian Rugby Union team ... Or something like that... He is not too far from my apartment ...
id go to a physio or an osteopath
dont even bother with the chiropractor....... as tharaka said, a 3 month course at tafe or a 5 year course at uni................ i know which person id be going to - ESPECIALLY if it had anything to do with my back.
I have a good contact for osteopathy, PM for details.
dont even bother with the chiropractor....... as tharaka said, a 3 month course at tafe or a 5 year course at uni................ i know which person id be going to - ESPECIALLY if it had anything to do with my back.
I have a good contact for osteopathy, PM for details.
you're all soft! :lol:
i've fucked up my back numerous times now...
first major time, i couldnt move or walk... went to the doctors and got a few needles in my ass and a cuntload of muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatories and pain killers. it killed the pain but i was high as a kite so I decided to stop taking them. the pain was gone but i still felt a bit unsteady when lifting stuff for a few weeks.
second major time, i went and saw the physio at my hockey club and got massaged and had my back cracked. after about a week it came good.
i've fucked up my back numerous times now...
first major time, i couldnt move or walk... went to the doctors and got a few needles in my ass and a cuntload of muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatories and pain killers. it killed the pain but i was high as a kite so I decided to stop taking them. the pain was gone but i still felt a bit unsteady when lifting stuff for a few weeks.
second major time, i went and saw the physio at my hockey club and got massaged and had my back cracked. after about a week it came good.
I think your blanket hatred for chiropracters is a bit harsh, My father, when he did somthing he shouldnt and ended up with a sore back or neck would go and see a chiropracter and come back feeling new again, the guy was an old nugget that has probly been doing it all his life so therefore has gotten to kno a bit over the years about what works and what doesnt, so what I'm saying is that sure somone who has just finished a 3 month Tafe cource will probly not be the best person to go to but I think just because somone has spent more time at uni or whatever they could be equally as bad because they also have very little practical experiance at what they are doing. Give that person that did a tafe cource 10 years of experiance and I'm sure there would be people who swear by them.
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MADVR4
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The human body has a bone structure last time i checked.... and when your bone moves from its original structure you get pain.... a physio works with muscals and tissue making it stupid to go see a physio when you have bone related issues... having said that tho im not gonna say all physios arent good at bone structure issues some are some arent.... for about 7 years and my chiro is a genius.... he is a pharmasist(spelling) aswell so is good at giving advise on things to help bones and any other issues...
alot of people have issues with chiro due to the fact that they manipulate the bones... so people have died from dodgey practising... but the truth is that if you get a good quality chiro he will most likely have a set way of doing things for check ups... my guy alwayz does back and neck the same way and it works... to be honest i go to my chiro for anything... i have broken my arm and i saw him b4 i went to GP becoz i knew he would be able to tell me where the issue was and what to do next... not just go get an xray and come back... he knew instantly it was a break where the break was and how severe it was... then got an xray and he was right...
talk to any chiro and they will say that if u get in younger for general check ins every couple of months later in life you will have less issues... the human body is alwayz adapting and growing in some form and bones will forever moving and getting off track... more so in younger people who are growing alot more...
there is no quick fix and you will have to keep going back for major issues... cant go 3 times and expect to be cured.... because remember when a bone is out of place for a long amount of time it becomes adapt to being there hence when the chiro puts it back in place it is more prone to pop out again... i had major kidney pains and i used to play alot of bball... i went and saw GP i had ultra sounds on my kidneys the works.... i went a saw chiro practor and found that my spine was on a slit angle making the whole system stuffed up and making pressure on my kidneys... took me around 12 weeks 2 times a week to get it sorted out and ive never had pain since...
chiro isnt a 4 week course at TAFE and im sure if you checked Chiropractors would have a lot more in it then physio...
bit of a rant but please dont just say they are shit coz u go once and they dont get rid of pain... lets face it.... a bone moves out of place... u get pain... so its only right when a chiro puts it back in place u get pain.... but its a relief pain and it goes away
hope this helps any1
Cheers Grant
P.S my Chiros name
Ken Ewan
Casey Chiropratic Cranbourne
ken is the only chiro i would see
alot of people have issues with chiro due to the fact that they manipulate the bones... so people have died from dodgey practising... but the truth is that if you get a good quality chiro he will most likely have a set way of doing things for check ups... my guy alwayz does back and neck the same way and it works... to be honest i go to my chiro for anything... i have broken my arm and i saw him b4 i went to GP becoz i knew he would be able to tell me where the issue was and what to do next... not just go get an xray and come back... he knew instantly it was a break where the break was and how severe it was... then got an xray and he was right...
talk to any chiro and they will say that if u get in younger for general check ins every couple of months later in life you will have less issues... the human body is alwayz adapting and growing in some form and bones will forever moving and getting off track... more so in younger people who are growing alot more...
there is no quick fix and you will have to keep going back for major issues... cant go 3 times and expect to be cured.... because remember when a bone is out of place for a long amount of time it becomes adapt to being there hence when the chiro puts it back in place it is more prone to pop out again... i had major kidney pains and i used to play alot of bball... i went and saw GP i had ultra sounds on my kidneys the works.... i went a saw chiro practor and found that my spine was on a slit angle making the whole system stuffed up and making pressure on my kidneys... took me around 12 weeks 2 times a week to get it sorted out and ive never had pain since...
chiro isnt a 4 week course at TAFE and im sure if you checked Chiropractors would have a lot more in it then physio...
bit of a rant but please dont just say they are shit coz u go once and they dont get rid of pain... lets face it.... a bone moves out of place... u get pain... so its only right when a chiro puts it back in place u get pain.... but its a relief pain and it goes away
hope this helps any1
Cheers Grant
P.S my Chiros name
Ken Ewan
Casey Chiropratic Cranbourne
ken is the only chiro i would see
MADVR4 said:
Please tell me youre not serious?
and if you had bone related issues, you should be going to an OSTEOPATH.
Chiropractors are a waste of money and time.
however, i might add, that if you dont know any better, and having been to a chiropractor and its working for you, theres no reason to go looking elsewhere for solutions.....
Ive just heard of waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay way to many horror stories from people who have gone to a chiropractor and been worse off as a result.
LOLMADVR4 said:
this thread is a joke
[GLI-747], all I can say is, take what a chiro says with a grain of sand.
there's no harm in going to one and speaking to him of course, but before you actually let him permanently cripple you, have a think about it and check out your other options.
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