VR-4 Brake Calipers And EVO 123 Caliper the same?

[E39A4G63]

hi all,

im thinking of rebuilding my Brake Calipers, but VR-4 kits are hard to find...

can anyone confirm if the EVO123 came with the Same Brakes as the facelift VR-4

are rears the same?

thanx

 

[JayRome]

single pot or twin pot?

we share same calipers with other mitsubishi's

twin pots on evolution and vr4 are close i believe only difference, was one uses a banjo connection for the brake lines... they share same brake pads from memory...

 

[Paul]

Other than the banjo, From what i can remember, piston size is slightly smaller on the vr4 calipers.

 

[E39A4G63]

thanx guys,

If the piston size is different, then that means the evo rebuid kit won't work on vr4

 

[Gianni]

I've heard Aus spec vr4 are twinpot and jap spec vr4 are single pot

 

[GVR40]

prefacelift jap specs are mostly single pot

some magna's had the twin spots as well, might be worth looking into those

 

[Entaran]

If you have a pre facelift with singlepots, get KR Verada calipers, they should be 50 bucks each at any given wrecker. They bolt straight on (you need to bleed/replace fluid and get bigger brake discs/new pads).

If you have twinpots, any Mr Brakes will be able to get you rebuild kits for them in a few days. There's a warehouse in sydney with hundreds of them.

 

[E39A4G63]

If you have a pre facelift with singlepots, get KR Verada calipers, they should be 50 bucks each at any given wrecker. They bolt straight on (you need to bleed/replace fluid and get bigger brake discs/new pads).

If you have twinpots, any Mr Brakes will be able to get you rebuild kits for them in a few days. There's a warehouse in sydney with hundreds of them.

thanks, i have twin pots, will look them up for kits

 

[eternazr]

Hi Guys, Can anyone vouch for the difference in braking between the twin pot and single pot calipers.My Jspec model has single pot, but i have a pair of KR Verada twin pot calipers i could use, is the braking going to be that much better?,

 

[VR-4Squid]

Hi Guys, Can anyone vouch for the difference in braking between the twin pot and single pot calipers.My Jspec model has single pot, but i have a pair of KR Verada twin pot calipers i could use, is the braking going to be that much better?,

Bigger pad area and bigger discs mean they take longer to get hot enough to fade - dependant on pads of course.

 

[milkandoj]

Bigger pad area and bigger discs mean they take longer to get hot enough to fade - dependent on pads of course.

And on top of these reasons already mentioned you get a much better pad selection of performance pads available for the db1223... part number compared to the single pots.

 

[eternazr]

Has anybody ever tried to fit the 4 pot calipers from a 3000gt, seen it done in NZ, any opinions to this mod?

 

[Entaran]

Needs custom brackets and larger wheels. You have to be runnign at least 7-7.5 inch wide wheel depends on offset and spoke design.

Also it will move your bias way forward and make the car dive heavily under brakes.

Your call.

 

[JayRome]

Has anybody ever tried to fit the 4 pot calipers from a 3000gt, seen it done in NZ, any opinions to this mod?

i'll be doing it shortly..... decent upgrade but the twin pots work nicely with slotted rotors and good pads....

you will have to basically buy new wheels to clear these brakes. offset is not really the case, more so spoke design....

 

[eternazr]

Hi Guys, Thanks for you info.I plan to run a 17'x 8" wheel, Dont laugh!!, but a HSV senator type, which will require some hub mods to 5 stud mitsy, then a space plate with studs which converts stud measurements.As it was explained the handling dynamics of the car would change under braking, interested to know why the car would nose dive under braking, can anyone confirm this?

 

[grndsm]

I am not sure if this an easy upgrade for you guys, but in US we recently discovered an easy and inexpensive upgrade: 05-06 Outlander uses the same twin pot calipers, that originally came on GVR4/AWD DSMs and many other 90’s Mitsu’s, but it does so with larger rotors (294mm instead of 275mm) and a matching mounting bracket (that sets the caliper 10mm farther).

Here is a photo comparing (left to right: 05/06 Outlander, DSM/GVR4 “Big Rotor” and 1G/FWD Single pot “Small Rotor”). It is also worth mentioning that because of improved, lighter design, the Outlander rotor is only 1lb/.45kg heavier than the “big rotor” (14.2lbs, 13.2lbs and 10.5lbs).

There are several ways to upgrade this:
1. Use outlander bracket ($63 new or $20-$30 at junk yards)
2. Use complete Outlander calipers (~$100 new or $35-$60 at junk yards) but they have a banjo bolt brake line connection, so they will not fit 1G/Galant without a custom line.
3. Find your favorite rotor ($40-$100 per side, depending on crazy you want to get). Of course, if you haven’t converted to a 5 lug hubs (I am not sure how popular it is to do so down under ), you will have to drill some new holes in the rotors (unless you have some other Mitsu with 4 lugs and these rotors). But these holes do not need to be very precise, so you could do it yourself. I also do not think that it would fit under 15" wheels, but it should clear most 16" wheels.

Before:

After:

Yes, I know I could still go bigger .

An interesting side point, Mitsu is continuing to use this same caliper for 15+ years!!!

 

[JayRome]

Hi Guys, Thanks for you info.I plan to run a 17'x 8" wheel, Dont laugh!!, but a HSV senator type, which will require some hub mods to 5 stud mitsy, then a space plate with studs which converts stud measurements.As it was explained the handling dynamics of the car would change under braking, interested to know why the car would nose dive under braking, can anyone confirm this?

so you would be going 5X114.3 or 5X112??

I am not sure if this an easy upgrade for you guys, but in US we recently discovered an easy and inexpensive upgrade: 05-06 Outlander uses the same twin pot calipers, that originally came on GVR4/AWD DSMs and many other 90’s Mitsu’s, but it does so with larger rotors (294mm instead of 275mm) and a matching mounting bracket (that sets the caliper 10mm farther).

Here is a photo comparing (left to right: 05/06 Outlander, DSM/GVR4 “Big Rotor” and 1G/FWD Single pot “Small Rotor”). It is also worth mentioning that because of improved, lighter design, the Outlander rotor is only 1lb/.45kg heavier than the “big rotor” (14.2lbs, 13.2lbs and 10.5lbs).

There are several ways to upgrade this:
1. Use outlander bracket ($63 new or $20-$30 at junk yards)
2. Use complete Outlander calipers (~$100 new or $35-$60 at junk yards) but they have a banjo bolt brake line connection, so they will not fit 1G/Galant without a custom line.
3. Find your favorite rotor ($40-$100 per side, depending on crazy you want to get). Of course, if you haven’t converted to a 5 lug hubs (I am not sure how popular it is to do so down under ), you will have to drill some new holes in the rotors (unless you have some other Mitsu with 4 lugs and these rotors). But these holes do not need to be very precise, so you could do it yourself. I also do not think that it would fit under 15" wheels, but it should clear most 16" wheels.

Before:

After:

Yes, I know I could still go bigger .

An interesting side point, Mitsu is continuing to use this same caliper for 15+ years!!!

not bad stock upgrade.... those parts are not as available here yet, cause there is not many wrecked out landers at our junk yards..... and yes, plenty of us are 5 stud.... thanks for sharing that info....

 

[grndsm]

Well, you could go for new Mitsu brackets and re-use your original calipers . It should cost you ~$120 + rotor cost.