Wolf 3D optical Crank Angle Choper Disks

[Advanced Jap]

Wolf 3D Hall Effect Crank Angle Choper Disks for optical VR4 CAS available from advanced jap auto lazer cut and ready to go

must be used to run sequential injection and sequential coil fire

 

[bazeng]

price?
how many degree's is the new hole? 60???

to all the wolf users.. this would be a good upgrade..

at the moment the stock CAS is giving you batch injection.. u could be running sequencial injection which should in theory be the better setup..
as for sequencial ignition, it will allow you more dwell time which would give you a better spark and more power... but this will need you to upgrade you coils / ignitors...

the stock disc can be modified.. a hole needs to be drilled approx 60 degree's after TDC @ piston 1...

 

[Advanced Jap]

price $30 inc gst

second hole is just a syn reference

no need to uprgrade colis as wasted spark works fine

but if you wish to use big injectors with sequential injection , you must use one of these disks , if you are using a plug in system injectors will need to be rewired to sequential config ( i dont think wold even makes a plug in system for vr4) ???

advantage of running sequential injection , you can run big injectors & and still maintain a nice idle

drilling a hole on factory disk doesnt work , as the factory hole extends past the point of where the new hole needs to be drilled already went through this with wolf

the syn reference hole needs to be 5 degees apart from cyl number 1 trigger hole
(actual degrees on the disk not crank shaft degrees) it can vary a degree or 2 as you have window adjustment in the ecu programing

i think your getting confused with the timing , when you set your crank angle sensor you need to set the trigger hole of number 1 cyl 60 degrees before and the wolf ecu does the rest , the ecu needs the 60 degree window to work

 

[grumbly]

funny, mine seems to run sequential injection without modified disk.....

 

[bazeng]

funny, mine seems to run sequential injection without modified disk.....

what injector sequence settings are you using?
did u wire the injectors in the firing order?
or did you wire them 1 - 4 in the cylinder order...

if so, what is your injection sequencing on the wolf?
1 3 4 2

on wolf...???
0 2 3 1

mine is set on
0 1 1 0

 

[Advanced Jap]

what makes you say your are running sequential grumbly lol

what module are you running ( thats what determines if its in sequential mode ) got to page 22 in wolf user manual

module 11 is sequential you cant run sequential with the genuine chopper disk

module 9 is banked

switch to module 11 or 12 and try to start the engine lol !!

baz you need to run module 12 to run seq injection and seq ignition

module 11 is seq injection and banked ignition

module 9 is banked injection and banked ignition

told you already dont worry about injection sequencing trust me engine still runs you need to switch modules and then set up you ignition sequencing

thats why i said refer to manual baz to make it easier for you trust me man i have read that manual over and over again just to make it sink in not easy once you get past 30yo lol

i have heard rumors that the genuine disk can be drilled to work but its not worth the hassle if you drill it incorrect and it doesnt work you can throw it in the bin ( and you would need to get the trigger 1 dual pulse window setting correct )

you can use a 2 wire setup using syn ref mode and use some alum gaffer tape to close up the one of inner holes on the genuine chopper disk ( fark that dont like doing things the bodgy way )

 

[Advanced Jap]

grumbly

funny, mine seems to run sequential injection without modified disk.....

check your module number

 

[Entaran]

Steve, careful how you word stuff mate. People might take it the wrong way. You may not have all the information, or he may have made a mistake, but it definately wasn't a personal attack.

 

[Advanced Jap]

baz

did u wire the injectors in the firing order?
or did you wire them 1 - 4 in the cylinder order...

you must wire injectors according to installation manual page 52 for 4 cylinder injector wiring baz :wink:

 

[Advanced Jap]

Steve, careful how you word stuff mate. People might take it the wrong way. You may not have all the information, or he may have made a mistake, but it definately wasn't a personal attack.

what are you talking about i got all my information mate, i do this for a living its not the first wolf system i have installed ,and i have read the manuals back to front and its not an attack on baz, its the other guy that posted without having all his imformation , he is trying to say that im trying to trick people into buying something they dont need, thats what it sounds like , baz is probably thinking that i stooged him and he purchased a chopper disk for no reason , it makes me look bad

 

[bazeng]

nah i dont think that..
pete and i have looked at the disc and he told me it either needs to be drilled or changed...

same with steve at efi hardware..

although, i know mattress's previous map's module was set on 12 and it works fine..

i have never read that part in the manual
i have an old one..

i might have to update my manual..

 

[grumbly]

I never insinuated anyone was trying to rip anyone off and I certainly never said you were trying to trick people into buying something they don't need. I was just informe by the SA Wolf dealer that mine was setup for sequential injection. Perhaps I was misled, not sure. You may apologise any time for your remarks

 

[Advanced Jap]

although, i know mattress's previous map's module was set on 12 and it works fine..

is matress using a plug and play evo system baz ???

i emailed steve at efi hardware he sent me a map for module 12 in sync ref mode , but this setup looks like its running banked

the settings are as follows

ignition 1 pulse offset / 0
ignition 2 pulse offset / 1
ignition 3 pulse offset / 255
ignition 4 pulse offset / 255
ignition 5 pulse offset / 255
ignition 6 pulse offset / 255

banked (not sequential)

injector 1 pulse offset / 0
injector 2 pulse offset / 0
injector 3 pulse offset / 1
injector 4 pulse offset / 1

depending on how the injectors have been wired i guess


its imposible to run sequential with a 4+2 trigger disk or 4+2 hall effect vane ( ecu does not know where cyl # 1 is , in order to fire coils in sequentiial ecu must know where cyl # 1 is. that got me thinking, if you were to cut one of the inner vanes off or maybe can i use ghost , it would give me a 4+1 trigger

i have noticed that the hall effect has 2 different sized vanes on the inner disk maybe the wolf can be config to see this difference

trigger disk must be 4+1 for sequential ( in dual pulse mode)

i apologise for attacking you grumbly

fark :shock: , there is so many possibilities , my head hurts now

 

[bazeng]

injector 1 pulse offset / 0
injector 2 pulse offset / 0
injector 3 pulse offset / 1
injector 4 pulse offset / 1

depending on how the injectors have been wired i guess

that means the wiring must be

inj 1 on cyl 1
inj 2 on cyl 4
inj 3 on cyl 2
inj 4 on cyl 3

from my understanding
0 = 1
1 = 2
2 = 3
3 = 4

now, if wired like i have which is in order of the cylinders
would it be for banked:

injector 1 pulse offset / 0
injector 2 pulse offset / 1
injector 3 pulse offset / 1
injector 4 pulse offset / 0

and for sequencial

injector 1 pulse offset / 0
injector 2 pulse offset / 2
injector 3 pulse offset / 1
injector 4 pulse offset / 3

same goes for ignition right???????

 

[Advanced Jap]

looks correct baz but my brain's not working atm , the heat melted some brain cells and i cant think on an empty stomach.

 

[acedsm]

Can someone clarify something, i'm lost.

Does the factory ecu not run sequencial injector firing for the vr4 or evo? or put another way, does the wolf ecu not have 4 injector outputs? Last time i checked the ecu loom has 4 injector plugs and 8 wires total. So 4 of the wires would be +ve 12v (through the resistor pack) and the other 4 feed into the ecu (inj 1,2,3,4) if not the injector would only have 6 wires total, 4 power and 1 pair of injector inputs into the ecu (batch fire in pairs)?

I understand that sequential ignition is not possible with the stock coils because they are dual post coils, but if you have 4 ignition outputs from the ecu, can you not run sequential coil firing with the stock CAS?

Or does all of this only apply to the wolf ecu

:?

 

[bazeng]

it applies to the CAS disc..

i always thought that the stock system was sequencial injection...
but not too sure

but the problem is that the stock CAS does not allow or give the signals a CAS should in order to run sequencial injection or ignition...

not sure if its only to do with the wolf...

 

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