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Differences between RS & GSR gearbox, Evo 3

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Hi all,

A lot of people say that there is no difference between the RS and GSR gearboxes in the CD and CE Evos. Yes, there are small differences in the gear ratios between the Evo 1, 2, & 3 gearboxes, but supposedly there are no differences between the RS and GSR versions.

Most of us early Evo folk know that if you have an Evo 3 gearbox, you need an Evo 3 transfer case as the output drive is slightly different to the Evo 1 and Evo 2 but other than that they are identical.

But are they? Why does Mitsubishi list different model numbers for the RS and GSR gearboxes then?

Brian (bmgtx) and I thought that there might be structural differences between the RS and GSR gearboxes, so I bit the bullet and spent 5 hours comparing the part numbers from the Evo 3 RS gearbox to the Evo 3 GSR gearbox.

I used the Mitsubishi ASA parts programme for this, and I used the VIN from my Evo 3 RS and the VIN from an Evo 3 GSR to do this comparison.

Surprise, surprise, there are multiple differences in the part numbers listed for each gearbox.

Here's a link to a post that I made on another Evo forum:

http://evo123.net/sh...hp?t=712&page=3

OK, I have put together a 3 and a bit page MS Word document which fairly comprehensively details all the common parts in Evo 3 GSR and RS gearboxes, and also which parts are different.

Briefly, all selector forks are different, the 5th and reverse rail is different, the centre diff case is different, the diff drive gear is different, the diff gear kit is different, the reverse idler gear is different, one of the diff case bearings is different, the tapered roller bearing in the centre diff case is different, the centre diff gear kit is different, the centre diff spacers are different, the centre diff shaft taper roller bearing is different, the intermediate shaft gear cluster is different, the intermediate shaft 5th gear is different, the intermediate gear taper roller bearing is different, the input shaft 4th gear is different, an input shaft taper roller bearing is different, and the input shaft is different.

When I say different, I mean that Mitsubishi lists separate and unique part numbers for the RS or GSR part.

The Mitsubishi ASA that I used to compile the list is excellent for cross-referencing parts that are common between models. Interestingly, a lot of the RS specific parts are listed as being able to be used in GSR's, but not vice-versa. This tends to suggest that the RS parts are higher specification than the GSR parts and that Mitsubishi think that you shouldn't use lower specification GSR parts in RS gearboxesPosted Image.

I am willing to e-mail a copy of my MS Word document to anyone who is interested; just PM me and I'll send it to you. Or if one of the admins can host it on this site somehow, that would be good.

Cheers,

Peter D

As mentioned, if anyone wants a copy of my MS Word doc, I am more than happy to send a copy to them.

Cheers,

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i would love a copy please peter

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i would love a copy please peter

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cheers mate


Sent.

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hi Peter

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Ditto would love a copy

Edited by Liberoz, 04 June 2013 - 03:03 PM.

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All requested copies sent:thumbsup:

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I havent heard the transfer cases were different!

I have a Aussie GSR TF Case and a E2 case and they are identical in and out! what is different on/in the E3 TF case? car drives fine BTW

Edited by JETGSR, 04 January 2010 - 03:57 PM.
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Can I have a copy

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I havent heard the transfer cases were different!

I have a Aussie GSR TF Case and a E2 case and they are identical in and out! what is different on/in the E3 TF case? car drives fine BTW


evo3 has a different front diff ratio which means the transfer has a different ratio to make the tailshaft speed the same, as all evo 1 - 3s have the 3.9 rear diffs

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All copies sent out.

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but if i allready have a 3.55 LSD diff in my E3 box with an E2 Transfer case and a Mech rear LSD with 3.55 ratio I should be right?

I guess the best way to check is jack the car up off all four and mark the tyres with chalk and let them spin?

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Thanks Peter :)
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Could I have a copy... looks like some interesting variations. In particular, want to see if there are differences in the selector shafts and reverse selector mechanisms... have seen some differences in dimensions although its hard to pick.

Cheers Mike email : mmiked (at) internode.on.net

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Could I have a copy... looks like some interesting variations. In particular, want to see if there are differences in the selector shafts and reverse selector mechanisms... have seen some differences in dimensions although its hard to pick.

Cheers Mike email : mmiked (at) internode.on.net


Absolutely! All selector forks, and the 5th & reverse rail, have different part numbers. The gearshift control parts section in my document is not complete though; there were just too many washers etc to list so I only did the main bits. After spending 5 hours doing the comparo I was a bit jack of it.

Anyway, I have sent you the document; it compares the gearbox from an Evo 3 RS (I used CE9A-109xxx as the VIN) and an Evo 3 GSR (I used CE9A-0003965 as the VIN) and plugged them both into the Mitsubishi ASA.

Cheers,

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Thanks Peter, makes for an interesting read and database... I do a lot of gearbox builds for rally and street cars here in Adelaide. I sort of got caught with the subtle differences between the GSR and EVO RS box earlier in the year !

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Received thanks a ton Ricey :) well done and thanks for sharing the doc brilliant
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just did the jack the car up thing, marked the tyres and guess what !!!

They both turn the same way and they both finish at the same place?

SO maybe mine is unique!!! special even!

E3 box with LSD and 3:55 front diff - E2 transfer case - E3 rear LSD with 3:55 ratio

Mmmm special ... bit like me really :?
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on a lazy day 12.001 @ 117mph with way too much wheel spin

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Could i please have a copy if its at all possible :)

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Hi,

I've e-mailed you a copy.

Cheers,

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