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[marinetowing]

thats another issue, even if i had a full track spec evo i prob wouldnt go all the way to vic to compete. will there be prize money offered? could change my mind, but would need to be 1k at least. maybe $500? that would mean tow car and trailer.

LOL

You have got to be the first person I have ever come across who states that they would not enter a club based event unless there was prizemoney at stake.

Mclaren been stalking you to be their no1 wheel man for next F1 season by any chance shuey:lol:

Edited by marinetowing, 07 January 2010 - 12:37 PM.

[The Godfather]

[quote name='marinetowing'][quote name='The Godfather']thats another issue, even if i had a full track spec evo i prob wouldnt go all the way to vic to compete. will there be prize money offered? could change my mind, but would need to be 1k at least. maybe $500? that would mean tow car and trailer.

QUOTE]

LOL

You have got to be the first person I have ever come across who states that they would not enter a club based event unless there was prizemoney at stake.

Mclaren been stalking you to be their wheel man for next f1 season by any chance shuey:lol:[/QUOTE]
i meant i wouldnt travel 2000kms to race unless there was prize money. an andra event at least you travel for points, but a once a yr event thats 2000kms away which will cost about $600 in petrol as car will be getting towed, so add price of trailer hire plus trying to find a tow car, then food, accomodation, entry to the event. etc etc, a $1500 prize cheque would still leave me out of pocket.

[marinetowing]

i meant i wouldnt travel 2000kms to race unless there was prize money. an andra event at least you travel for points, but a once a yr event thats 2000kms away which will cost about $600 in petrol as car will be getting towed, so add price of trailer hire plus trying to find a tow car, then food, accomodation, entry to the event. etc etc, a $1500 prize cheque would still leave me out of pocket.

It's just that I don't know of any events that really offer money for placings...and it's not the reason that people participate in the sport, yes the expenses are large to run in interstate events or any events for that matter but at the end of the day motorsport is not a cheap addiction in any form of the sport.

In 22 days I am competing in Targa Wrest Point (and rather nervous about it as it's my first tarmac rally with navigator) this event is run in my backyard but by the time I have paid entry fee, bought pace notes, new tyres,rotors,pads, fuel and all other associated costs it comes to a grand total of very close to 8k for a 2 day event which I have been saving up to compete in for a very long time.
No there is no prizemoney up for grabs and even if there was I have no chance of even being in the middle of the field quite possibly end up close to last in my class. My plan is to finish the event with the Nav, myself and the car in one piece and have great fun doing it.
The reason that I am spending so much money to enter is that I am so excited by the prospects of being able to drive very fast on some of the greatest stages Aus motorsport has to offer and to get to compete alongside such drivers as Jim Richards and Jason White amidst a field of some of the best racecars in the country....to me thats great value and thats what it should be about, not money:thumbsup:

[The Godfather]

i never said it was all about the money, money is the incentive to make the trip... hence why i said without a decent track setup car there would be no chance of winning.

powercruise offers 1k to the winner of each category and i think $300 for runner up.

[p3akin]

im happy to hop on track just for a learning experience.

[Liberoz]

How far can you guys get so off track its not funny its a risk

For this event we are trying to emulate what other clubs have done before us if your racing for money I don't want you any where near my group as its that kind of attitude on the track that will put some one else into a wall & I am fiercely against racing people with this mind set.

I'd rather pay double and keep the wise mentality head on the track to dice with their own times! not some dude that wants to win something to make it worthwhile for Him personally (selfishness) to take part in the event as he's only worried about his own personal expenses(read as "a high risk entrant")
with no respect or consideration to his fellow comrades in the community. End of story.

Its very easy to see already who it is on the keyboard! and who is on track with a great attitude about racing that wont at all compromise mine and other like minded weekend of fun and a social gathering at a forum based national event.

If you have even a small hint I'm talking about you?
99% is yes! "I am talking about you" and do not wish to participate in an event in the same grouping or event as I see you as a liability and a risk to other competitors.

Call me pomp-ass or big headed I dont give a toss I know what I want to pay for the mind set of those I want to race with and be 1000% comfortable in my class/grouping! also mine and other competitors safety is a concern when keyboard hero's are involved.

This event should be fun and with combined level headed mind set of competitors!

or you might as well go to your local McD's and get harassed by the local popo? as for The remainder of right minded entrants I'll happily get on a track with and I'm sure like wise.(read as a "low risk entrant") every one's cup of tea:rolleyes:

Peakin you've got the correct community mind set! a event like this caters for "Bravo"

[EVL20T]

Its not about winning, as mentioned before its all about gainin greater experience and having fun with others with the same passion... When money is involved its another level where people push harder and harder... sorta selfish if u ask me

I'd rather go slow and safe than fast and loosing conbtrol endin with either damage to your or another vehicle or even lives

[Chaser]

Its not about winning, as mentioned before its all about gainin greater experience and having fun with others with the same passion... When money is involved its another level where people push harder and harder... sorta selfish if u ask me

I'd rather go slow and safe than fast and loosing conbtrol endin with either damage to your or another vehicle or even lives

I agree with you ^^^^ much better experiance than racing for money. the aim of this to have FUN yeh???

Edited by GSRSOL, 08 January 2010 - 03:15 AM.
Please refrain from making surreptitious jabs at fellow member

[Entaran]

Here's a copy of my current planning notes (typed, because I am oldschool and like to handwrite things):

Location: Haunted Hills, Moe, Gippsland
Format: Hillclimb / Touge (Ghost)
Date: TBA (One day, Saturday or Sunday)
Time: 7:30am start for organisers, finishes when it gets dark likely.
Cost: TBA (Approx $150-200/car)

Requirements:
Clerk of Course
Safety Officer
Paramedic x1 (Prefer MICA)
Crash Recovery Vehicle (Flatbed)
Flag Marshalls (2x volunteers so far)
Event Marshalls (2x required)
Public Liability Insurance
Catering
Decent handheld UHF's

Organising Committee:
Lawrence
Dan
3x volunteers required


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Participants must have a current L2S Cams license. AASA licenses are not accepted at the Haunted Hills venue. To attain a L2S Cams license the driver must be a paid member of a CAMS affiliated club (MGEC etc) and fill out the required forms and complete a medical. THREE WEEKS (21 days) is required to have your cams license mailed to you. Licenses must be renewed every 12 months.

Participants must wear long sleeved tops, long pants, closed toe shoes and an approved helmet. Helmets must have the Australian Standards sticker on them or they will not be passed by scruitineers. Damaged helmets not accepted (gouges, deep scrapes, broken visors, etc)

At no point during competitive events or staging may the windows of any competing vehicle be anything other than fully closed. It is allowable to open the drivers door whilst staging (queued, not on the line ready to start)

The event will -NOT- have prizemoney. This creates unsafe driving conditions primarily. The organisers feel that the event is designed primarily as a good day out, and secondarily as a training exercise for the majority of drivers who will attend. It is not and will never be our intention to cater for hero drivers performing unsafe manoevres simply to "win".

The event will be broken down into classes based on drivetrain and modification level. Class breakdown is TBA but will very likely follow a pattern similar to the evonats. (You can check evooz for details). This won't be finalised for a few months so please don't ask for details as I don't have any.

Interstate competitors may receive some form of reimbursement for travel expenses. This will be an amount towards your expenses rather than complete payment of expenses.

Catering on the day will cost money. The club cannot afford to feed everyone for free.

Timing format will be vehicles released at 30 second intervals. One "class" at a time. we anticipate 10 cars per class with a 2 minute break between classes, thus every car should hit the track approximately once per half hour all throughout the day. Possibly faster, but we are infact budgetting time for accident removal and for the event marshall's to have short breaks.

Your first two runs will be -UNTIMED-. We don't want you going fast, we want you to learn the corners. Following that, we ancipate each vehicle will get approximately 4 more runs in for a total of 6 (at least). These following 4 runs will have times ADDED TOGETHER. Lowest total time per class will win their class. Trophies will be provided and a short awards ceremony at the conclusion of the event. Drivers who leave prior to this will forfeit their trophy and second place will claim the win, logistically it is too much hassle to post a trophy and avoid breakages. Wherever possible we will post times as they occur or at the end of each 30 minute session so drivers can see who is leading each class.

We will organise some form of dinner outing after the event which will be completely optional.

We anticipate a "meet and cruise" to the event somewhere from southeast melbourne out to Moe. We also anticipate the same "meet and cruise" to return to melbourne.

The venue DOES NOT cater to drags. We will organise a second "drag day" in the near future to be run in tandem with this event (possibly one or two weekends AFTER the circuit event. We do not want the drag racing stresses breaking cars for the circuit work). Like all previous events this will most likely be held at Heathcote raceway.

The day is being held in Victoria simply because the organising committee lives in Victoria. I have no knowledge of tracks, facilities or anything else in other states and nobody has put their hand up to give me a hand from outside of Victoria. For those of you from QLD/WA/whatever who feel the need to be vocal about this, PM me and give me options for the second track day we hold. I am not against holding one in southeast queensland or at wakefield or wherever, I simply do -not- have the experience yet and am still learning myself.

Entry will be open to ANYTHING with a 4g or 6g engine. It doesn't matter if it's a 4g15 or a 4g63 or a 4g54, or a 6a12 or a 6g72. It also doesn't matter if it's a 4g63 in a datto 1600 or a 4g54 in a widebody starion. NA and Turbo don't matter. Your car however will only be allowed to compete at the discretion of the event organisers. If you expect that I will allow you to race in a standard sigma with 25 year old suspension and drum brakes, you are sorely mistaken. I am less concerned about other cars on the track and more concerned about you destroying your vehicle/laying oil all over the track/smashing into a tree/hurting yourself.

vehicles will be scruitineered on entry. Failure to disclose modifications is instant disqualification, you will not be allowed to race and you will not receive a refund. We need your modifications to put you in classes, saying you have a 2.0 block with a 16g when you have a stroked 2.4 with a 20g in a 16g housing isn't fair on anyone in your class. Remember, we will compare against your members ride thread and there will be people there who know these cars back to front and then some. I'd like to think we don't have people who will blatantly cheat as it defeats the purpose of the day. We reserve the right to strip you of your title in the event we find out afterwards that you have cheated.

In summary, we are hoping to run a successful smaller day initially and build it up over a series of track days to hopefully culminate in a Calder/Winton/Oran Park/Eastern Creek day at some point about trackday #4 or 5. We would potentially do Wakefield/Winton first and one of the more "prestigious" tracks later on.

We will be actively looking for sponsors for these events. There is only so much money we can throw at it from our own pockets. Profits first and foremost will go towards the travelling expenses of the volunteers for the day (flag/event marshalls etc), and then on towards further track days, drag days and other club events.

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I was also hoping to hold a small show'n'shine for non competing cars in the carpark of the venue. If anyone has experience with these events PLEASE PM ME. I need help to organise this as I have no idea about judging criteria or who indeed is a judge.

There will be a "people's choice" award for both competitive and non competitive cars which hopefully will be cash prizes.


Discussion below.
This is as far as I've gotten so far in 2 days or so.

/wall of text.

Edited by Entaran, 08 January 2010 - 04:33 AM.

[91LTI]

EDIT: Hmm my post is deemed irrelevant now due to Entaran's post above lol

Edited by 91LTI, 08 January 2010 - 04:44 AM.

[Gooch]

i never said it was all about the money, money is the incentive to make the trip... hence why i said without a decent track setup car there would be no chance of winning.
powercruise offers 1k to the winner of each category and i think $300 for runner up.

Great so you can be a volunteer to get some sponsors. Then you can decide on how much each event gets! I think it is good that you are fully into this!

Will this be open to 6g's as well ?
6G's need a place as well
I'm picking up my 6G on Saturday in Sydney

GL mate hope it is all that you want and more cant wait to see it!

So where is the committee I see there was a post a bit back asking for 3 more volunteers but I cant see any!
How successful will an event be if there is no one to organise it. Really doesn't matter about track, classes how many etc if no one is volunteering.

IMHO if you want bigger go get some help from MAustralia they can help organise and be part of the committee. Or maybe you set up a trial event here in Vic for Victoria and if any SA or NSW folks want to come down do so. BUT FIRST GET A COMMITTEE so you can organise something other than HOT AIR!!!

Sorry folks c this everyday lots of talk no action. Lorrie put me down for Committee that leaves just two others!

[Evo-00x]

Nice effort Entaran

Haunted Hills looks like its not for the faint hearted and inexperienced driver thats for sure lol. As long as people dont try to be heros they should be able to drive their cars home afterwards ('prizemoney' lol, good one Adrian, just more incentive for people to push their limits and come a cropper lol).

Ride height, suspension and driver restraint have to be spot on for that one. Inclines, crests, declines, followed by superquick tight bends, hard braking, and not to mention weight transfer backward/forward/left/right will keep you and your tyres busy alright. Anyone going ought to invest in a nice hugging seat otherwise they'll find themselves spending most the time holding onto the steering wheel trying to stay upright and unable to make the turns lol

Having to undergo a medical for a new License seems simple enough: http://www.cams.com....aspx#MedFitStat

[DOUGMO]

You dont need a medical for a cams L2S licence rob only have to sign your life away
L2S is all you need for hillclimbs even at a national level which is good as it keeps the costs down more

[The Godfather]

ok so it looks like im the only person that would want to win?? haha i know you all want to win regardless of prize. its ok... everyone can just let me drive past so i can win seeing as no one wants to win??? how can you say that no one will be "pushing their cars" what a joke. Give it a rest...

Marulan Driver Training Centre
http://www.mdtc.com.au/

i could prob get a decent deal for this place as my uncle knows the owner and is sponsored by him. For the before proposed 20k we could get the track for 2 weeks lol

[The Godfather]

Great so you can be a volunteer to get some sponsors. Then you can decide on how much each event gets! I think it is good that you are fully into this!


GL mate hope it is all that you want and more cant wait to see it!

So where is the committee I see there was a post a bit back asking for 3 more volunteers but I cant see any!
How successful will an event be if there is no one to organise it. Really doesn't matter about track, classes how many etc if no one is volunteering.

IMHO if you want bigger go get some help from MAustralia they can help organise and be part of the committee. Or maybe you set up a trial event here in Vic for Victoria and if any SA or NSW folks want to come down do so. BUT FIRST GET A COMMITTEE so you can organise something other than HOT AIR!!!

Sorry folks c this everyday lots of talk no action. Lorrie put me down for Committee that leaves just two others!

you can put me down for Committee too, can i do it from NSW? you can skype me in for club meetings?

[Liberoz]

I'll second this for me as well : you can put me down for Committee too, can i do it from NSW? you can skype me in for club meetings?

[Entaran]

I will keep Marulan in mind thanks. Will probably make that a weekend of Wakefield and Marulan together so we can hold different events. Maybe high speed driving/technique courses at Marulan followed by a track day at wakefield to put what you learned into practice?

Ok so we have 3 + 2 interstate (nsw) committee, 2 more required from vic at least. I have lots of jobs I can palm off!

I also need one graphic artist to design for me some posters. Or just make them and put them in a thread and we can all vote on which is the best Just put TBA on it or whatever, you can modify the original when the dates are set. I'm waiting on emails back from Gippsland Car Club atm.

[brettu26]

id be happy to be part of any commitee if req'd.

haunted hills would be a fantastic venue.

[Entaran]

Also at this stage I am thinking a Vic meeting in Melb on wednesday night (next wednesday) and a skype meeting during the weekend including the interstate guys.

Edit:

NSW Committee:
Liberoz (John)
Godfather (Adrian?? Not sure of your name mate)
+3

VIC Committee:
Entaran (Lawrence)
GSR5OL (Dan)
Gooch (Bob)
brettu26 (??)
+1

Committee's will be overseen by me.

[Liberoz]

Will this be open to 6g's as well ?
6G's need a place as well

I'm picking up my 6G on Saturday in Sydney

As I see it this event should be looking at entry for these following cars
Anything Mitsu fwd, awd, Turbo'd, NA including lancers, galants, mirages, ect

All the above should be able to enterIMHO

for those that cant get theri head around this or havent been reading this post from start to finish the groupings and classes will pitch cars with matched speeds be it a Nats curcuit timed event, for a hillclimb event it doesnt matter as there's only 1 caqr on the track at a time.