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W5M33 Gearbox info
#1
Posted 06 January 2010 - 01:10 AM
All info comes from Tim Zimmerman ( twicks69 ) on the dsmtuners forums etc.
He has been playing with these boxes for a long time and knows his stuff people!
http://www.tmzperformance.com/
Here are the specs he has posted. Please don't argue about them, all I am doing is reposting specs which have been proven to work for the various scenarios listed!
The following is for W5M33 AWD 5-speed transmissions:
Ok, stock specs are:
The Preload Setting is listed in SAE (inches):
Input Shaft --> 0.000" - 0.002" ENDPLAY
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.003" - 0.005" PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.003" - 0.005" PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.003" - 0.005" PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.002" - .0067" ENDPLAY
These are what I normally use:
Stock/Street Transmissions with less than 400TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.004" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.003" - 0.005" PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.002" - .0067" ENDPLAY
Street/Strip Transmissions with less than 600TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.007" - 0.009" PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.003" - 0.005" PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.002" - .0067" ENDPLAY
All out RACE Transmissions that are Rebuilt/Inspected regularly with more than 600TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.007" PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.008" - 0.010" PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.004" - 0.006" PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.002" - .0067" ENDPLAY
For Extremely HIGH HP/TQ transmissions (As in ~900-1000+TQ at the crank):
Input Shaft --> 0.007" PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.010" - 0.012" PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.005" - 0.007" PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.004" - 0.006" PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.002" - .0067" ENDPLAY
These figures are normally what I use, unless a customer has a specific number they want to run for shims.
As well, each transmission rebuilder will shim differently, or not even reshim whatsoever (reusing stock shims). Most transmission rebuilders will not tell you these numbers whatsoever, as this is what makes their transmissions shift like butter with all the other mods that they do to the shift rails, hub and sliders, gears, linkage, etc.
I would recommend using a quality Micrometer that is accurate to 0.0001", and I normally do two or three seperate solder-tests per bearing race and then take the average of each test to see if there is anything out of the ordinary, and then I select the shim by adding the preload figure listed above to the solder average thickness, or subtract the endplay figure listed above from the solder average thickness.
If you need the part number for a shim, reference a factory service manual for all the part numbers of shims for each transmission model.
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#2
Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:01 AM
These are the generic numbers for the W5m33 gearbox bearings.
Where the listing says inner I mean the flywheel side of the box and outer means the other end!
Input Shaft:
Outer bearing: Koyo 26118YR1-N
Outer Race: Koyo 26283-N
Inner bearing: NSK HR32205
Inner Race: NSK HR32205
Intermediate shaft:
Outer bearing: NSK R28-9
Outer Race: NSK R28-9A
inner bearing: Koyo 303/28R-N
inner race: Koyo 303/28-N
Center Diff case:
Outer bearing: Koyo LM300849
Outer race: Koyo LM300811
Inner bearing: NSK R41-1g
Inner race: NSK R41-1g
Center diff drive shaft:
Outer bearing: NSK R31Z-11g
Outer Race: NSK R31Z-11g
inner bearing: Koyo 32009JR
inner race: Koyo 32009J
Frt Diff bearings:
Koyo 6207R (Qty 2)
Mitsubishi part numbers for these ...
Input - MD732314
Input - MD726235
Intermediate - MD726236
Intermediate - MD724117
Center Diff case - MD727860
Center Diff case - MD720623
Center diff drive shaft - MD718322
Center diff drive shaft - MD727861
Tim
Dsmlink V3 + E85 11.37 @ 131.46 ... still more in her
Remember Kids... Google does not equal research!
Magnus
How much time do you spend in a parking lot with your performance car? If you do a lot of parking lot driving, and hang out in parking lots, chances are you are a ricer, go home and read import tuner. If you’re complaining about noise you should not be modifying your car. You should also consider no longer being a man, please hand in your genitals at the door.
#3
Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:56 AM
In all the love I forgot to ask a question.... do you know what the difference is between the Mitsu part numbers?
Edited by EVO-00X, 18 March 2010 - 10:03 AM.
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#4
Posted 18 March 2010 - 10:11 AM
The Mitsubishi numbers are for the inner and outer bearings, I don't recall which are which but I could always look it up!
Edited by brisvr4, 18 March 2010 - 10:28 AM.
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Tim
Dsmlink V3 + E85 11.37 @ 131.46 ... still more in her
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Magnus
How much time do you spend in a parking lot with your performance car? If you do a lot of parking lot driving, and hang out in parking lots, chances are you are a ricer, go home and read import tuner. If you’re complaining about noise you should not be modifying your car. You should also consider no longer being a man, please hand in your genitals at the door.
#5
Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:34 AM
My bearing shop has had the task of getting me some stuff for like 2 weeks, and i'm over it.
Local Mitsu Parts cant get me the shims I want. I even took part numbers in for them.
Anyone know a good website?
#6
Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:06 AM
Tim
Dsmlink V3 + E85 11.37 @ 131.46 ... still more in her
Remember Kids... Google does not equal research!
Magnus
How much time do you spend in a parking lot with your performance car? If you do a lot of parking lot driving, and hang out in parking lots, chances are you are a ricer, go home and read import tuner. If you’re complaining about noise you should not be modifying your car. You should also consider no longer being a man, please hand in your genitals at the door.
#7
Posted 18 August 2016 - 07:39 AM
Info on case numbers, ratios etc.
http://www.4gtuner.c...-into-e39a-box/
Centre Diffs
http://www.4gtuner.c...=+centre +diffs
Throwout Bearings
http://www.4gtuner.c...gearbox issues
Cable Mounts
http://www.galantvr4...&page=4&fpart=1
General Gearbox Woes (RVR)
http://www.4gtuner.c...gearbox issues
Evo Gearsets
http://www.4gtuner.c...gearbox-ratios/
Transfer Case Ratios
http://www.4gtuner.c...-transfer-case/
Edited by MDK87, 05 September 2016 - 01:09 AM.
#8
Posted 22 August 2016 - 06:15 AM
METRIC
Stock:
Input Shaft --> 0.000mm - 0.051mm ENDPLAY
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.076mm - 0.127mm PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.076mm - 0.127mm PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.076mm - 0.127mm PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.051mm - 0.170mm ENDPLAY
Stock/Street Transmissions with less than 400TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.102mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.076mm - 0.127mm PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.051mm - 0.170mm ENDPLAY
Street/Strip Transmissions with less than 600TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.178mm - 0.229mm PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.076mm - 0.127mm PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.051mm - 0.170mm ENDPLAY
All out RACE Transmissions that are Rebuilt/Inspected regularly with more than 600TQ at the crank:
Input Shaft --> 0.178mm PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.203mm - 0.254mm PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.102mm - 0.154mm PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.051mm - 0.170mm ENDPLAY
For Extremely HIGH HP/TQ transmissions (As in ~900-1000+TQ at the crank):
Input Shaft --> 0.178mm PRELOAD
Intermediate Shaft --> 0.254mm - 0.305mm PRELOAD
Center Differential --> 0.127mm - 0.178mm PRELOAD
Output Shaft --> 0.102mm - 0.154mm PRELOAD
Front Differential --> 0.051mm - 0.170mm ENDPLAY
Edited by MDK87, 22 August 2016 - 06:32 AM.
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