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[boosted22]

I was just wondering if anyone has priced a dog box for there gsr before, I'm still running the g93 engine not sure if there trans are the same as evo etc, but yer was just curious if anyone has priced one up and through who...

[SIVART]

there not cheap, but it depends if you get new or used

new they where about $16-18K

used if you can find them $4k to $10k depends on condition

[rob323]

Why would you want a dog box in a street car? Do you like rebuilding gearboxes yearly?

[OFFON-4]

PPG

$13k gear set & other bits a pieces
$15k assembled

Their are a number of other things that you will need to buy so it aint cheap hence why im running a standard box for the time being

PAR also makes gear set not sure on pricing

[The Godfather]

I was just wondering if anyone has priced a dog box for there gsr before, I'm still running the g93 engine not sure if there trans are the same as evo etc, but yer was just curious if anyone has priced one up and through who...

how much power you making on this beast mate??

i wouldnt waste my cash on a dog box unless you were making 350-400awkw unless you want to do awd heli's lol??

if you bought the gear set (1st - 4th) and took it to a gearbox place to get fitted i say you could get it done for less than 10k, but then you would need to do the transfer case at least too.... i did some rough pricing for the whole drivetrain not long ago and it was like 25k haha

[boosted22]

yer i was just curious thats all, and its a track car only not a street car, like i sadi was just curious if any one had priced one up, i think first thing im gonna try get a ikeya shifter, once i got all the cage and body sorted. cheers anyway

[Evo-00x]

All Im gonna say is dont go barking up the wrong tree chasing dog boxes and the hype of building a stronger gearbox by spending more than what some cars are actually worth. The truth of the matter is that even dogboxes fail if not set up right and the typical gearbox shop down the road isnt going to know how to do it! You need someone who specialises in W5M33 gearboxes who knows how to build them right and assemble to the bearing preloads that best suit your application. If you want to see some strong W5M33 boxes look up some US websites. There's still a cloud of doubt over the hype of shot-peening gears for strength. Do some more research to find a company that supplies internals or boxes for high powered 4G63's and see what they have to offer. For something like $3000AU you can have a purpose built tough transmisson thats been used on 8 second cars delivered to your door and ready for action.

[The Godfather]

link to AU$3000 delivered drag box please

[Trippy]

iv ordererd a parr syncro mesh straight cut gear set for my street car because i snaped my input shaft.1st to 5th 900hpw rated $7900,00 9 week wait if you need that you need bigger trans,bigger shafts to.in my race car iv got a ppg dogbox for dragracing its a bitch to drive unless your up it.

[Evo-00x]

Both cars sound quite nice Trippy PPG is as good as it gets for competition so a definite thumbs up there. Just that Im not too sure about PAR’s claim that their synchro gearsets are 900hp rated, well not in a W5M33 box anyway. I know of a 400hp atw Lancer street car that had teeth break off his set with not much use. Also Joey in the ‘EVLJOE AWD Satria’ killed his PAR box quite easily, got sick of constantly chasing his tail breaking bits that he eventually turned to an auto. He’s ironing out some bugs at the moment but he’s definitely not looking back. When you do get the PAR set up and running it would be great to get some more feedback on them as it’s a bit lacking due to only a select few people known to us running them.

Adrian, the US boys thoroughly believe you can get some good use out of W5M33 OEM parts for up to 600hp if built with the right upgraded components where it counts (some OEM internals just cant handle it). Take a look at Shep Trans http://www.sheptrans...ons/dsm_awd.htm specs. There’s a lot of DSM’s in the 8’s and 9’s running these boxes. Other places you can look up are Jacks Transmissions and Team Rip (TRE).

[evopwr]

the first thing to fail in any awd car, including the wm33 box is the piss-weak centre diff.

Ugrading that to a 4spider centre (like SHEPTRANS do) will have your box good for 400hp (so they claim).

[Velocity Racing]

The 1-4th PPG box for Evo 1-3 & VR4 retails at $6600+ GST plus another $1400 + GST for 5th gear if you want it.

That gets you input and intermediate shafts, with all the gears, a billet c/diff housing, an a billet selector for 3rd/4th. Everthing else you use in the box is standard components.

Its an awesome box, Its the best change we ever made to the Evo.. and i firmly belive that a dog box is a must in any competition car.. no so much for the strength (which is a nice bit of insurance), but more the driveability for things like positive gear selection, left foot braking & when your chasing that extra second clutchless shifting..

PPG as a company are fantstic, they sponsored us last year and were really great to work with....

[boosted22]

i would defeintly love one hey, but it wont be just yet lol, the only thing that concerns me is, i think i will have no trouble jumping the super sedans etc off the line its when i go for second gear etc, were its all gonna change, if i dont get it right, miss 2nd, drop off boost etc, there gonna get me lol, if i can get the gears spot every time il be fine i think.

[BYBY5L]

id give rob at creatd a call, hes got some good connections with the dog boxes, he'll be sourcing mine,

i love dog boxes an cant wait to have 1, just do it if ya have the cash, an rebuilding them every years abit hard out tho, my good mate had 1 in his evo 3, 400hp(hp not kw's my bad) all day every day for 3 years, no dramas what so ever, besides axles...

Edited by BYBY5L, 19 March 2010 - 02:44 AM.

[brisvr4]

the first thing to fail in any awd car, including the wm33 box is the piss-weak centre diff.

Ugrading that to a 4spider centre (like SHEPTRANS do) will have your box good for 400hp (so they claim).

Meh! I have 2 VR4 w5m33 boxes with perfect centre diffs and smashed 1st gears.
1st gear in these boxes suck to launch
And the claim for a 4 spider centre diff is actually 600hp
I've welded the centre in one of my boxes to try it out at the strip.

[FRANK-E]

i remember your car trippy you ran it at last year jamboree
looked nice i remember seeing it go into the 11's
iv herd of the par dogbox's not lasting long there was one i was looking at a few weeks ago but when i herd it was from par it turned me off.

[JETGSR]

I have heard good reports on cryo and shot peening <-- what eva

BrisVR4 and I are thinking of doing it to our spare boxes.

Troy

[Trippy]

the parr box comes with full 12month warrenty,i know of 2 gtr with them a mazda famila ,the backyarder runs one iv got 440hpw and use it .i ran an albins dog box in my race car lasted 3 passes witch where soft passes before f up.the parr box is rated to 650hpw sorry went off the dog spec.

[bazeng]

Trippy, seems like you have alot of experience with these boxes.

I've just killed mine and is now in the market for something stronger.
Those US boxes do look tempting (cheap!!).

But I'd really love to have a PPG box.
What is the deal in maintaining them?
Is it streetable?

I was considering the albins stuff, so they are no good?

[Velocity Racing]

Maintanence for the PPG boxes isnt to bad, from memory dog rings were around $300 ish and dog gears $600ish which is pretty much what you are going to wear out, shafts etc should last forever unless they get damaged.. No idea what sort of kms you would get from them in a street car but if you were nice to it (double clutching & rev matching etc) you would probbaly get quite a few kms out of it. I'd like to think they are quite streetable, the whine from the full straight cut box gets anoying (yes it sounds awesome, but it gets old pretty quick) I belive they do a semi straight cut, which would be a better option for a street car. It shifts similar to a stock box, just with added clunks and bangs..

other things to think about, you will need a new clutch as the spline on the input shaft is based on an evo 6 input shaft (10mm larger than Evo 1-3/VR4), this may mean that the gearbox case needs milling out to accept the larger shaft. Also there is some variations in the detent spacing on the selector rails between each version of the gearbox, get it wrong and the dogs wont engage propperly and it will go bang.... I'd suggest spending the money to have PPG's expert box builder Brian build it for you (its around $900 but they charge a flat fee to assemble) ..

Albins make a 1st-5th helical cut dogbox for VR4 - Evo 3, its about $5500, however it includes a lot of non standard parts, like bearings and seals etc, that only albins can supply. I know there stuff used to have a bit of an average track record with the rally guys, and i have heard a few bad stories however i do belive they have improved some what. Personally id think the PPG box is worth the extra cash.