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[nk]

I completely agree. But on the other hand, if everything is done by the books and you were driving it completely normally (no burnouts etc etc) then there is a fair chance that they'll show you some respect for your attempt to keep things legit.

barry, thats all good in theory and normal cops leave you alone.. but tmu don't give a shit, once you're pulled over, they WILL find something even if they have to make it up.
i haven't had any speeding fines in the 5 years that i've owned my evo, but i've been hassled to no end and defected twice.. both times they've had to resort to petty items because my mods aren't detectable.

[iluszn]

Hrmm Barry, your theory has some flaws. Engineers does not necessarily equal ADR compliant.

You can have an Item Engineered to say it is manufactured to a standard and fitted correctly, but does not mean your car complies with ADR laws.

For Example. If you owned a 94 CC GSR.. and you fit a Galant VR4 Motor and have it engineered, thats great. Means it has been fitted correctly and is safe. BUT!! To comply with ADR your motor must be from a Vehicle of the same year or newer. Galant VR4 motors are not from 1994 so is technically not ADR. If TMU where motorvehicle engineers and the like, every single CC with a VR4 motor would be phucked.

However, if you had an EVO motor of the same year of newer fitted with all emissions gear, then, you would probably be left alone as its an ACTUAL optional motor, where as, VR4 motor is NOT an optional motor.

But to look past just the motor, you would have to have the brakes and other items fitted to the evo on your GSR to comply with ADR.

In the end, it doesnt matter what you do, or, what you say, unless you go for an engineers and the engineer goes through the ADR for any modifications and it complies, your engineers basically means phuck all except its supposed to be correctly fitted, structurally etc etc is sound.

Anyone Disagree? Any other opinions?

[JayRome]

i think i'm going to end up turbocharging a Daewoo by the sounds of things.........

its complete bs that vic has gotten it self into..

[bazeng]

If you have a look under the VICROADS website or call them, they list a bunch of engineers who have the right to sign off a car to be a.ok.

Now this requires
emissions testing to meet Aussie regulations & a full inspection of all the modifications carried out on the vehicle to deem it safe on the road.

The emissions testing is done by a third party while the mechanical inspection is done in house @ the engineers workshop. The Engineer will then need to look over the emission paperwork to pass the vehicle.

Now this is when they give you some form of paperwork and also inform VICROADS that the car is engineered with the modifcations that were inspected.

I asked the engineers, what if a cop pulls me over and canaries me, they replied that the police officer would contact vic roads or they may have a database, and your vehicle should be listed as an engineered and tested vehicle with all the mods listed. Now if the cop wanted to defect the modification, then the modification would have be NOT be on the list I'm assuming.

All in all, this is my understanding of it with my discussions with VICROADS and the ENGINEERING workshop.

And if a police officer were to defect you based on a modification that has been listed in the engineers report, I'm guessing that defect could be easily contested with VICROADS or even the RWC centre.

Like you guys say, they can canary you for anything, but in the end if all it takes to clear the canary is a document then its better than changing the entire turbo/exhaust/intercooler/suspension/brake setup.

I know of a few guys with cars that have been engineered. The funny thing is, they never ever get pulled over for an inspection. I'm wondering if the cops punch in the number plate and if it states that it is engineered, they leave you alone?

[nk]

a vass engineer certification validates the modification's structural integrity in accordance to adr. it basically means that the modifications listed comply with the law.. it's rare, but some cops are sore losers and will find something else to defect.

[Squiddy]

So theyre basically putting the squeeze on anyone with a modified car, and they want everyone to roll around in echos... But if everyone drove an echo, would it really save lives?

Say the govt. passes a legislation banning any car with over 120kw.....

I reckon:

- People are still going to get drunk and write themselves and others off
- Country fatalities would be the same
- School zone fatalities would still be the same (believe it or not an echo or yaris can do up to 100 km/h)
- It may potentially reduce the amount of 18-25 year olds killed..... but if they actually provided proper education and driver training at a younger ages, and enforced power restrictions on P-Platers it would reduce them anyway..... and we may not have these idiots killing themselves and spoiling it for the rest of us.

[milkandoj]

you put that pretty well. Its a shame those in power don't see how simple and argument like that is.

I totally agree with power restrictions or the like, for P-platers. It cold stop alot of young deaths and positively change the motoring culture.
Ive know a few young mates, mainly with RWD Nissans that have smashed them up, normally with not owning it for a long time, coz they have no idea what a car does once it starts to get out of control. Hell im still learning, im still pretty young at 22.
Once my car has been of the road for a few months it takes me a good week or two to feel comfortable to push it.

If i had anything more powerful than my 2L ford escort when i got my P's, i recon i would have put it into a tree. You need to learn in something with little power.

People when they get their license need to have the opportunity to learn how a car handles.
It will show how scary a car out of control actually is, and also save people having some stupid accidents in the wet. It doesn't promote hoon culture or make people think they are a drift king, it'll show how real driving a car on the limit is. And how bad of a driver you really are. Young blokes wont think they are invincible.

Instead of charging silly amounts for a computer test, i would have been happier to pay a bit more, and do a skip pan.

But the internet is full of stupid rants like this, they wont listen.

I reckon:

- People are still going to get drunk and write themselves and others off
- Country fatalities would be the same
- School zone fatalities would still be the same (believe it or not an echo or yaris can do up to 100 km/h)
- It may potentially reduce the amount of 18-25 year olds killed..... but if they actually provided proper education and driver training at a younger ages, and enforced power restrictions on P-Platers it would reduce them anyway..... and we may not have these idiots killing themselves and spoiling it for the rest of us.

[JiMi]

here here.. but its also peoples attitudes... i do alot of driving and some of the things i see make my mind boggle, usually because people are ipatient, i watched a car pull out and pass a truck over double lines about 200m from a crest a few months back on a road that has alot of logging trucks on it... if a truck had of crested that hill there would have been nothing anyone could do aside from try and not get involved them selves (as soon as i saw it i stood on the brakes and got right out of the way as i was behind the car and truck)

contary to popular beliefe its not just overpowered cars that cause accidents, you can still get a lil buzz box up to well over 100, the problem is people mixing booze/speed/it wont happen to me attitudes/etc and making bad decisions

i had a mate get booked on hoddle st a couple of weeks ago for 6k's over at like half 11 on a tues night, how is that more dangerous that doing the speed limit of 6 less at high traffic times... the road was pretty much deserted... as everyone says, its revenue raising plain and simple, all they do is point the finger at us because we are in the minority and dont have the numbers to defend ourselves coupled with the fact that there is the few idiots doing stupid things and ruining it for the many because it makes us an easier target

/end rant

[WindeX]

Webber said it best: The nanny state!

[Squiddy]

But the internet is full of stupid rants like this, they wont listen.

Stupid internet rants create awareness..... Besides who else is going to listen to me? Cant exactly stand on a roof in collins street and drop fliers

[iluszn]

It doesn't matter how much we argue, The state government and police will do what is viewed as "In the best interest of the general public"..

At this time, because of the heavy handed ways with "HOONS" and the issue with the Bob Jane Store, Then they have to be "VIEWED" as doing the right thing.

So the focus of the media at the moment is hoons, How are they stereo typed? Generally younger guys in loud and obnoxious cars. What does that mean for other car enthusiasts. It means a Fist without Lubricant even if you drive sensibly.

You are now a part of the hoon population, and, because you fit the "Stereo Type" you must be a "HOON"..

All these are just assumptions they have made, no facts, no real evidence, just all assumptions.

There will never be a complete story, just made up ones full of assumptions. And we will pay the price for it..

[will]

guessing this was during business hours on tue?

[ziad]

hmm instresting thread this one like the million others on the net. but what is intresting that there arent any cops on this forum unlike others telling u to fk off if u dont like the rules.

anyway if the cops are having a bad day or u gave them attitude they will find something somewhere to give u a yellow. hence i always have something easy for them to give me a simple one... like noise or tyres... anything to stay away from the full EPA. and hence my engine bay looks quite stock. no flashy oil catch cans, shinny intake manifolds or octopussy exhaust manifold. not that it will stop them defecting my standard BOV. hence i be nice to them and hope for the best.

[Chris4G]

This is a very depressing subject. I'm normally quite a positive person but in this topic I'm afraid it is a "david and goliath" type of battle. So much I want to say just to vent my frustration but in the end, my 2cents worth means little to nothing to the authorities. I really don't know how we as enthusiasts will win in this battle?

I've tried doing everything legit before and been more than co-operative with authorities etc but never seems to help. Seems to me, with my experience, alot of cops are on some sort of power trip and really stretch the limits of their authority unfairly on us import drivers, especially.

Most idiotic drivers I've witnessed on the roads have been mostly commo's with chopped rear springs, stockies on back and straight pipes. And what about those wankers at Today Tonight and ACA? twisting the boundaries of truth and completely one eyed and biased stories of us "HOONS" that get broadcasted to corrupt the views of the Australian public. Only showing those stupid greaseballs in west sydney mouthing off at police and doing front wheel burnouts in their pulsars! ... I just don't like being branded and stereotyped as a "HOON" because of a few rate gaining news stories.

Man I miss the old days...so much simpler, when you could drive your jap import without fear or anxiety.

All this been said, I'm not giving up on imports!

"Only sure way to fail is to give up"

[ocyrion]

All of this stuff is so true, especially illuszn's post which is right on the money. I hate being lumped in the same category as a hoon because my exhaust is subjectively "loud" and I like Japanese imports.

It's the twits in the Aussie made cars that are doing most of the damage. Enthusiasts care about their cars and take care of them, whereas "hoons" don't give a shit. We should lobby the government to ban donuts and surly attitudes from the police.

It's such a shame that the Vic govt applies a sledgehammer to everything, all out of a knee jerk reaction. Didn't they ever take year 11 Legal Studies? The laws only really punish law abiding motorists, anyone who has no regard for the law is going to keep going ahead being a dick anyway.

We should come up with "code of ethics" for import drivers, spread the word and encourage everyone who owns an import or a sports car to drive nicely so that we no longer stand out.

The majority of idiots I see doing aggressive lane changes, using their phones while driving, speeding, tailgating and not leaving enough space etc are drivers of non-performance cars, not car enthusiasts.

It's fascism and Mark Webber was spot on. Once they've beaten us into submission and the road toll doesn't drop, who's the government going to blame then? VOTE BRUMBY OUT. This Labor government has single handedly fucked up motoring in Victoria. God this country shits me sometimes. More and more recently. Glad I'm going to Canada this year

[Squiddy]

Once they've beaten us into submission and the road toll doesn't drop, who's the government going to blame then? VOTE BRUMBY OUT. This Labor government has single handedly fucked up motoring in Victoria. God this country shits me sometimes. More and more recently. Glad I'm going to Canada this year

Id like to think a Liberal govt. would be less heavy handed, then I am reminded of the car crushing policy that Balileu wanted to implement if hes voted in. Either way we're fucked, the state and federal governments are becoming far more right and far more left day by day - and theyre as bad as each other to boot. I still think this is one of the best countries in the world, though Australia is not the place it was 10 years ago........

[ocyrion]

Id like to think a Liberal govt. would be less heavy handed, then I am reminded of the car crushing policy that Balileu wanted to implement if hes voted in. Either way we're fucked, the state and federal governments are becoming far more right and far more left day by day - and theyre as bad as each other to boot. I still think this is one of the best countries in the world, though Australia is not the place it was 10 years ago........

I'm no Liberal voter that's for sure ... I was thinking greens or independents, at least that will send a protest vote message even if they give their preferences to Labor