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[GaN-MaN]

Hey there everyone.

I am fairly new to the 4G modifying scene, although some may know me already... been pretty active lately... =P
I have my 95 CC Lancer GL FWD with a 4G15 Carby... i've read that modifying it is a waste of money and time for the little amount of power increase i get so that option is out...
Then i read about the 4G63T and i realli liked the idea... Turbo, Intercooler, AWD, and all that jazz... but i also read that i need alot of parts to convert to a AWD, even to do the engine conversion i seem to need a lot of wiring and looms, etc... I thought about it and seems to be alot of hassle...
Then there's the 4G93T conversion where i get to stay on the FWD but i also get my power and turbo... but then i thought, "what's the point of having a turbo FWD if i can't even take off quickly without having wheel spin??".

My questions are,
1. Should i convert to a 4G63T or 4G93T??
2. How much would it cost me for both??
3. How hard is it to do the conversion??
4. Is it even worth doing the conversion??

Thanks in advance. =]

[bazeng]

1. Yes if you want the power
2. Depends greatly on what you wanted exactly. Ie fwd only or full awd conversion with the engine transplant
3. Quite full on if your doing the drive train also.
4. Yes, if you want the power. No if you don't. As for fwd/awd. You could try fwd first then upgrade to awd if you feel the need.

[leadfoot]

with the 4g15 both of the upgrades you have listed are going to be just as involved as the other because they are both an efi conversion from the carby ( so your first decision is are you realy that attached to you gl if not sell it in favour of the glxi it will make any conversions much easier oh and it has more powah)

so i'd say go and find youself an evo front cut and then go and raid a glxi for all it's fuel gear (except the fuel pump you'll want an evo item for that)

[Chaser]

http://evocoupe.net/....php?f=2&t=3450


Have good read of that... then have a good think about is this what you want blow 10 grand on....

[EVL20T]

Dont know what your talkin about... the conversions are easy

[GaN-MaN]

1. Yes if you want the power
2. Depends greatly on what you wanted exactly. Ie fwd only or full awd conversion with the engine transplant
3. Quite full on if your doing the drive train also.
4. Yes, if you want the power. No if you don't. As for fwd/awd. You could try fwd first then upgrade to awd if you feel the need.

1. yes i want the power... who doesnt?? and i was mainly asking whether to go for the 4G63T or the 4G93T...
2. i dont see the point in a powerful fwd but i was just curious coz i thought it'd be cheaper, but i would prefer a full awd conversion with engine transplant and all that...
3. i would probably do a full drivetrain if its for the better.
4. i do want the power, but if i do a fwd 1st the awd later. its just wasting time and money...

with the 4g15 both of the upgrades you have listed are going to be just as involved as the other because they are both an efi conversion from the carby ( so your first decision is are you realy that attached to you gl if not sell it in favour of the glxi it will make any conversions much easier oh and it has more powah)

so i'd say go and find youself an evo front cut and then go and raid a glxi for all it's fuel gear (except the fuel pump you'll want an evo item for that)

i just thought that if i did a 4G93T i would have to change my drivetrain and keep it FWD but it all realli depended on the price of things.
Also yes, i am very attached to my GL... it's my first car given to me by my dad who is a mechanic and went through alot of trouble fixing up the engine problems ready for me. i also do understand that its hypocritical of me since he did fix up the engine, and here i am wanting to change it... but power is what i want... my 1.5L carby just doesnt cut it anymore...
an evo half cut is an option but i just want to understand the needs and costs of everything first before i do anythn...

http://evocoupe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3450


Have good read of that... then have a good think about is this what you want blow 10 grand on....

i've read that post several times now and if only there was a 4G63T/4G93T conversion in a CC Lancer guide...
10k is alot of money if thats how much its gonna cost...
im planning to get myself and FD3S soon too...

[GaN-MaN]

Dont know what your talkin about... the conversions are easy

is that sarcasm or...? im not sure lolz...
doesnt seem too easy it seems... but all that difficult either...

[EVL20T]

Nah its easy, well engine conversion is

All you need is a front cut, and seeing yours in a GL 1.5 carby, you will need an EFI fuel tank

Its all a basic swap, its just time consuming

I've done a few conversions, all up prob cost around $7000

AWD conversion is the killer

Prob an extra $5000 for an AWD conversion

[milkandoj]

Or buy an evo 6 instead with the cash from your car and the conversion
(watch the flaming from the conversion boys)

[bazeng]

Running FWD first then converting to AWD later doesn't waste that much money.

You could run an AWD box locked to fwd and then when you decide to go awd, just unlock it and use the same box.

Who will be doing the work? That is what will determine your cost...
If they have done it before, it will be quicker and cheaper in that aspect.
If they have not, then you would pretty much be guessing on price.

Are you handy with the tools?

[SIVART]

your better off buying a CC GSR for $5k , there are lots of them and all the turbo and 4wd is already setup , it will just be repairs and mods that you will have to worry about

[BMGTZ]

Or buy an evo 6 instead with the cash from your car and the conversion
(watch the flaming from the conversion boys)

or even buy an evo 8 and do what i did............sell it


unless you lancer is a truly special car to you.....milkandoj is right in one respect. sell it and buy a gsr. I sold one just yesterday that was converted to VR4 4g63 and has a few goodies as well like evo 3 body lit 15inch wheels briaded lines konis. sold for 8k.

there are few about .......even my brother is selling his {because he now has an evo 1}

Edited by BMGTZ, 04 October 2010 - 04:10 AM.

[GaN-MaN]

Nah its easy, well engine conversion is

All you need is a front cut, and seeing yours in a GL 1.5 carby, you will need an EFI fuel tank

Its all a basic swap, its just time consuming

I've done a few conversions, all up prob cost around $7000

AWD conversion is the killer

Prob an extra $5000 for an AWD conversion

yer i suppose so huh... the thing is though... 7k is still alot... and the AWD for 12k... thats a lot of money...
im workin on gettin a 2000 FD3S Spirit-R for 15k... so u understand the worth value...

Or buy an evo 6 instead with the cash from your car and the conversion
(watch the flaming from the conversion boys)

i wouldnt mind a Evo 6.5... =D lolz

Running FWD first then converting to AWD later doesn't waste that much money.

You could run an AWD box locked to fwd and then when you decide to go awd, just unlock it and use the same box.

Who will be doing the work? That is what will determine your cost...
If they have done it before, it will be quicker and cheaper in that aspect.
If they have not, then you would pretty much be guessing on price.

Are you handy with the tools?

that is an idea... but still about 7k... its money i dont want to spend...
dad's a mechanic and has been for 38 years now... so i have my fair share of tool handling...

your better off buying a CC GSR for $5k , there are lots of them and all the turbo and 4wd is already setup , it will just be repairs and mods that you will have to worry about

$5k is a decent amount... but still attached to my GL... lolz...

or even buy an evo 8 and do what i did............sell it


unless you lancer is a truly special car to you.....milkandoj is right in one respect. sell it and buy a gsr. I sold one just yesterday that was converted to VR4 4g63 and has a few goodies as well like evo 3 body lit 15inch wheels briaded lines konis. sold for 8k.

there are few about .......even my brother is selling his {because he now has an evo 1}

drivin an evo 8 MR... loved it... such a beautiful car... bit steep in price though... lolz... im only 18... i cant fork out that kind of money jus yet... haahhahaha....

[Dean]

I sort of know where you're coming from.
My first car was a GLI. I thought about doing what you would like to do, I sat down and wrote a list of everything i needed and i added up the costs and realised that it wasnt worth it.
So I bought my GSR instead. And now its even more of a money pit lol. Having said that, im not that mechanically minded.
Given your above comments, if you're looking at it from the perspective of achievement, adventure and something to keep you occupied for a few years I say go for it if you have the nouse and eagerness to do it.

[GaN-MaN]

I sort of know where you're coming from.
My first car was a GLI. I thought about doing what you would like to do, I sat down and wrote a list of everything i needed and i added up the costs and realised that it wasnt worth it.
So I bought my GSR instead. And now its even more of a money pit lol. Having said that, im not that mechanically minded.
Given your above comments, if you're looking at it from the perspective of achievement, adventure and something to keep you occupied for a few years I say go for it if you have the nouse and eagerness to do it.

hahahaha... at least someone understands me... a 18yr old guy just trying his run at modifying his car... some may say im naive but i tell them to just fuck off bcoz no matter wat... u gotta start somewhere ryt??
I have made a list like u and i agree... i wouldnt mind gettin a gsr but i dont want to sell my GL... but no matter wat i car i buy... its always gonna be a money pit... we're grease monkeys... and we love it...
i do want that sense of achievement, an adventure is fun, the experience will be good, but at the price its gonna cost me along with the results im gonna get... not worth it...

i think i might just pass up on the whole idea of doing the conversion... it just seems like too much of a hassle... along with all i've said and wat i want to do...
i'll just save up for my FD3S... =] As for the plans now... i'll continue modifying the looks... i can always have a nice looking car ryt?? =P

One last thing... is there anythn i can do at least give my 4G15 a lil power boost but for a reasonable price that is worth doing?? i no about the pod and i no i need to get the adaptor... but is it worth it?? how bout exhaust, etc. ?

[rotated7]

i'll just save up for my FD3S... =]

Each to their own, but id suggest focusing on the above, rather then pouring $$ into a GL Lancer. If you really must have a turbocharged lancer, you could always get rid of your GL and pickup something turn key ready to go for next to nothing these days.. Seems to be a few CC lancers on Evocoupe with 93t or 63t conversions already... even GSR's as low as 4k.

Reality is, CC Lancers really arent worth much anymore. You'll pour X amount of dollars and in the end, could have probably picked up a genuine Evo!....

[GaN-MaN]

Each to their own, but id suggest focusing on the above, rather then pouring $$ into a GL Lancer. If you really must have a turbocharged lancer, you could always get rid of your GL and pickup something turn key ready to go for next to nothing these days.. Seems to be a few CC lancers on Evocoupe with 93t or 63t conversions already... even GSR's as low as 4k.

Reality is, CC Lancers really arent worth much anymore. You'll pour X amount of dollars and in the end, could have probably picked up a genuine Evo!....

Yer like i said "i think i might just pass up on the whole idea of doing the conversion..." also "As for the plans now... i'll continue modifying the looks... i can always have a nice looking car ryt?? =P"

[EVL20T]

My car is special to me, after the big accident in my wagon i bought the coupe to basically get me used to driving again coz i was scared to hop in a car

The plans were to use the wagon 93t turbo on the coupe, but things changed and i bought an evo2 front cut, and was just gonna leave it FWD and give it a nice show look

Until i spun my big end bearing and had to rebuild the engine... so after spending around 20k in total on it, i knew even if i was gonna sell it i wont get the $$ back, so i pulled my finger out and decided to AWD it


If i knew this is what i was gonna do back in 2005 after the acco, i would have just bought a GSR or something

My suggestion is if the car is standard at the moment and it hasn't got any sentimental value, sell it and buy something like a GSR, or save up and buy the car you want, there's no point modifying the car if your gonna sell it in the end

I'll be keeping my car for a long time, well my son has already claimed it as his own lol, i'm actually looking for a EVO7 GTA for the MRS

Edited by EVOCPE, 04 October 2010 - 07:31 AM.

[leadfoot]

im starting myself on a 93t swap so if you like i'll give you a step by step and exact pricelist if you want

so far engine $150
gaskets $336
rings $130
main bearings $94
rod bearings $63

[evopwr]

your better off buying a CC GSR for $5k , there are lots of them and all the turbo and 4wd is already setup , it will just be repairs and mods that you will have to worry about

^ this.

either:

a) put on a evo3 style kit and keep it as a daily. or

b ) sell it and buy a GSR/evo.

You will not be able to effectively and competently convert the GL to '63t awd for under $10,000.

This is not advice. This is how it is.

Edited by evopwr, 04 October 2010 - 09:43 AM.