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[robevo]

OK I need really close ratios for the mirage (early 4g63 etc) HEEEELLLLPPPPP

[brisvr4]

I'll see what i have at home

[BMGTZ]

I bought two of these...havent fitted yet. They only fit with single synchro

 

http://www.speedgear...ncer-evo-1.html

 

stuff looks good....but the guy is a muppet tho and tells stories that he makes them. He doesnt....they are made here.

 

https://www.facebook.com/obuddyracing

 

and here

 

https://www.facebook.../gearcloseratio

 

they dont answer communications

[Evo-00x]

I also tried contacting NRG Racing Parts last year about "KAAZ Close Ratio gears" after stumbling on this webpage and seeing what looks like an EVO custom gearset: http://energiejapanp...duct_line/kaaz/  . But they got back to me saying that they aren't EVO gears and Kaaz don't make these anyway lol . So why put a Kaaz logo on the fkn pic?

 

 

 

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They put me onto a company called MFactory at this link: http://www.teammfactory.com/  and I clicked on BROWSE OUR CATALOG.

But I couldn't see any gearsets for the EVO's? Mainly HONDA - Honda Civic/Integra Type R FWD dog gear sets are much more available worldwide.

Imagine if you could bolt up a FWD Honda box to the Mitsu! You would have lots of ratios to choose from too. 

Maybe they can custom make ones? Worth asking, but they say they don't make custom one-offs as described at the bottom of this post.

 

 

 

They have a dealer here is Australia in Sydney called "Davids Motorsport Workshop ph: 0417755747". See dealer list: http://www.teammfact...ers_asiapacific

 

Also for Sales Enquiries in Australia they list this address and phone number. 

MFactory Australia Pty Ltd
PO Box 2125
Normanhurst, NSW 2076
Australia
(Mailing Address Only)

(Australian Sales & Logistics)

Business Hours: Mon-Sat 11am - 7pm (EST)
General Sales: +61 (0)434 151 720

 

By utilizing this system of product development, it allows us to cater to a broad range of clients ranging from Enthusiast Car Clubs to Automotive Manufacturers. We can develop superior transmission components at a fraction of the cost of our competitors. An example of the custom components we have developed for our clientele in the past include:

Forged Final Gears - Straight and Helical Cut applications, customer-defined ratios and specs

Forged Gear Sets - Straight and Helical Cut, Synchro and Dog Engagement, customer-defined ratios and specs

Forged Differentials - Gear and Plate Type applications, customer-defined ratios and specs

As a leader in the Performance Transmission Industry, we more than welcome you to discuss your project requirements with our In-House R&D Department. Our engineers possess a very thorough knowledge of automotive transmission technologies and can assist you from the initial design stage all the way through to the finished product. Please note, due to the tooling costs involved with Forged Gears, we are unable to offer custom one-off gears and will require a minimum order quantity. For further information and/or pricing, please don't hesitate to contact us.

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Edited by EVO-00X, 14 January 2015 - 01:33 PM.

[Evo-00x]

OK, found a place in the UK called HHMS (Harry Hockley Motorsports) who makes dog boxes to suit FWD Proton Satria/M21 coupe (same as CC Lancer and will bolt onto 4G93 and 4G63 blocks obviously) 

 

Website: http://hh-ms.com/par...SubCategoryID=5

Facebook: https://www.facebook...544092375605390

 

 

HHMS Dog gears internals for Proton/Mitsu FM  - Ratios not listed.

 

Dogbox bellhousing

 

 

Choice of a couple of LSD's to suit OEM or custom front driveshafts as below

 

Part Number: P0703RH/P0705LH
Competition drive shafts, use with LSD P0704 & drive flange P0313

[Evo-00x]

You know how you said you are planning on rebuilding a new block later? Can I suggest doing it with a newer evo 4G63 block from an EVO4+ lol .

At least those gearbox internals are stronger OEM to start with, are cheaper dog gear sets and easier to get a hold of. Then lock the bitch into 2WD.

Actually, because you have your engine behind you now, is your current shifter setup modified to change gears properly or do you have to shift the gears backwards in a mirror image?

 

Edited by EVO-00X, 15 January 2015 - 05:00 AM.

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[robevo]

It all shifts like normal, I have modified the shifter to work like normal. Thanks heaps for the info, I am seriously considering biting the bullet and

buying a fwd sequential gearbox but its a lot of money.

[Evo-00x]

They always are a lot of $$ as you know mate. It costs the same to rebuild engine internals as what it does to get a strong gearbox.
You could go back to your old PPG AWD dogbox again with a spool. Do you know who has it now? Go knocking lol

Below is just the info Ive put on the evocoupe website for oem FWD transmissions. None of them really have close ratios except for the Mirage Cyborg MIVEC CJ4A. The others have a bigger gap between 1st and 2nd gear.
An option could be to send oem bits to Matthias in Germany to make some dog gears. But who knows about the strength of the input shaft. Would just be a waste of $$.
You could stuff around with oem stuff but I think you would just break them every outing. There's no fun in wasted $$ and time changing trannies


FWD MITSUBISHI CC LANCER RATIOS:
As per factory specifications manual.

MANUAL GEARBOXES
1500cc Carburettor: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th); 4.021 (Final); 3.083 (Reverse)
1800cc MPI: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th); 4.021 (Final); 3.083 (Reverse)

AUTO TRANSMISSION
1500cc Carburettor: 2.846 (1st); 1.581 (2nd); 1.000 (3rd); 3.600 (Final); 2.176 (Reverse)
1800cc MPI: 2.846 (1st); 1.581 (2nd); 1.000 (3rd); 0.685 (4th); 4.007 (Final); 2.176 (Reverse)
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BATTLE OF THE FWD MITSUBISHI & PROTON GEARBOXES:
Proton Satria 1300cc: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th)
Proton Satria 1500cc: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th)
Proton Satria GTi / M21 1800cc DOHC: 3.083; 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th) - Code F5M222VRXE
Mitsu CC Lancer 1500cc Carburettor: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th); 4.021 (Final); 3.083 (Reverse)
Mitsu CC Lancer 1800cc MPI: 3.363 (1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.777 (5th); 4.021 (Final); 3.083 (Reverse)
Cyborg MIVEC CA4A/ CJ4A: 3.083; 1.947 (2nd); 1.285 (3rd); 0.939 (4th); 0.756 (5th); 4.592 (final)
At 100kmh revs should be about 3100rpm. The difference could be tyre size.
Cyborg MIVEC CJ4A: 3.071(1st); 1.947 (2nd); 1.379 (3rd); 1.030 (4th); 0.767 (5th); 4.625(final); 3.363 (Reverse)
At 100kmh your revs should be about 3160rpm (slightly higher due to higher final drive ratio) - This gearbox has different ratios throughout compared to others (except all 2nd gears are the same) - This one is made for pure acceleration provided you can get power to the ground.
A CYBORG RS CJ4A with an ATS Final Drive Ratio of 5.000 will rev at 3416rpm at 100kmh. This gives quicker acceleration but lower top speed.
The top speed for a CJ4A is theoretically 237.32kmh.
With the ATS 5.00 ratio theoretical top speed is 215.86kmh.

Edited by EVO-00X, 16 January 2015 - 12:26 AM.

[robevo]

Im hearing you. Im going to keep it aspirated so it wont make any where near the

torque a turbo set up will make.

[Evo-00x]

OK, I didn't know a great deal about the Cyborg gearboxes until what I've learned over the last few hours.

 

 

 

You/ve got a CC Lancer engine block mounted in the back of a CE Mirage and set it up for RWD. 

The way that it has been done requires you to actually fit a CC Lancer type gearbox.

 

Here are ratios and gearbox codes for the 92-96 Mirage Cyborg:

 

CA4A Mirage Cyborg MIVEC FWD (CC/Proton Satria shape)

Crownwheel = 67 teeth

1^st gear = 37 teeth  = 3.08

2^nd gear = 37 teeth  = 1.947

3^rd gear = 28 teeth = 0.939

4^th gear = 33 teeth = 0.756

5^th gear = 37 teeth = 0.756

Reverse = 3.083

Final Drive = 4.592

 

Factory LSD CA4A gearbox codes (1991-1994/5)

F5M22-2-xxxx

 

With LSD

XRWE (LSD) (MD970429)
XRGE (LSD) (MD971903)

Non LSD

XRZE (MD970428)
XRXE (MD971902)
XREE (MD971904)

 

You could get one from a 1992-1995 CC4A Cyborg MIVEC AWD (CC Lancer hatch same shape as a Proton Satria).

They are a W5M31 AWD gearbox but you can lock them to 2WD.

They can also take the normal EVO I-III front LSD in them. e.g. your W5M33 EVO LSD will fit into the gearbox)

 

CC4A Cyborg Type R AWD 1.6L 4G92

Gearbox Code W5M31 AWD

1^st gear = 37 teeth  =

2^nd gear = 32 teeth  =

3^rd gear = 26 teeth =

4^th gear = 30 teeth =

5^th gear = 43 teeth =

Front Diff = 62 teeth

Output pinion = ???

 

 

You can also buy aftermarket Mitusubishi Racing Gear Ratio 4G91,4G92,4G92 MIVEC & 4G93 from Speedgear here: http://www.speedgear...gear-ratio.html

- Racing Final Drive  Ratio For Mitsubishi 4g91, 4G92, 492 SOHC/DOHC,4G92 MIVEC CA4A
- For 1st generation
- Heavy duty material quality

**AWESOME FOR DRAG USE OR STREET RACE**

Ratio:
1 = 2.750
2 = 1.789
3 = 1.300
4 = 1.000
5 = 0.814
5 = 0.727 ( Use with stock oem gear ratio 3th & 4th only )

Available final drive 4.8 and 5.1

*Final drive 4.8 is only use for stock gear 3th and 4th.
*Final drive 5.1 is only use for racing gear 3th (1.300) and 4th (1.000)

 

OR

 

As Brian has mentioned Speedgear also sell an option for GSR/EVO/VR4 gearboxes: http://www.speedgear...ncer-evo-1.html

 - Racing gear ratio fit for:
* Mitsubishi 4G63 Lancer Evo1/2/3
* 4G93T GSR Turbo CD5A
* VR4 Turbo
* Talon four wheel
* Eclipse four wheel

- Use for gearbox Standard,Semi LSD and Full lock LSD
- Heavy duty strong material.
- Special Design for road,street race and drag use.
- Awesome response.

Racing Gear Ratio Spec:
 1ST = 2.400
 2ND = 1.476

 

So that will give you different 1st and 2nd gear only for a normal EVO AWD gearbox that you can lock to 2WD.

 

OR

 

Just get a EVO I-III dogbox and lock it to 2WD.

You have a choice of different EVO gears from PPG/PAR.

 

eg. PPG Box

3.125 / 2.031 / 1.47 / 1.080 / (not taking final drive ratio into account).

The ratios after the final drive reduction for PPG are 1st - 2.75; 2nd - 1.684; 3rd - 1.16; 4th - 0.862; 5th - 0.617

 

 

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If you fitted a newer EVO engine block from an EVO 4+, then you can use a gearbox from a 1995/6 - 2001 CJ4A

But then you could always use a newer EVO dogbox transmission with a greater variety of custom dog gears to choose from and modify it to only 2WD.

 

CJ4A CE Mirage RS 4G92 MIVEC FWD (also found in CK4A CE Sedan MIVEC)

Crownwheel = 74 teeth

Output shaft = 16 spline

1^st gear output = 43 teeth = 3.071

2^nd gear output = 37 teeth = 1.947

3^rd gear output = 40 teeth = 1.379

4^th gear output = 34 teeth = 1.030

5^th gear output = 33 teeth = 0.767 (some 32)

Input shaft = MD770004 (3 types. Popular item chosen)

3^rd gear input = 34 teeth

4^th gear input = 33 teeth

5^th gear = 43 teeth (some have 39 teeth, Popular item chosen)

Reverse = 3.363

Final Drive = 4.625

 

Factory LSD CJ4A gearbox codes (1995/96 - 2001)

F5M42-1-xxxx

 

With LSD

Y8A1 (LSD) (MD974482)
Y8A5 (LSD) (MD974831)
Y8A8 (LSD) (MD975671)
Y8AC (LSD) (MD975675)
Y8AF (LSD) (MD976273)
Y8AK (LSD) (MD976277)

Non LSD

Y8A (MD974481)
Y8A4 (MD974830)
Y8A6 (MD975130)
Y8A7 (MD975670)
Y8AB (MD975674)
Y8AD (MD975676)
Y8AE (MD976272)
Y8AJ (MD976276)
Y8AL (MD976278)

 

CE Mirage Cup Cars have the same gear ratios as the RS/ Cyborg ZR of the same year.

 

You can buy CJ4A/CK4A aftermarket final drive gears to change it to 4.866 from Speedgear: http://www.speedgear...for-lancer.html

 

Or, go one step higher and change it to 4.933 from good ol' Ali Baba lol http://www.alibaba.c..._264109150.html 

 

Edited by EVO-00X, 16 January 2015 - 11:58 AM.

[Evo-00x]

Adelia

Close Ratio Transmission

 

 

 

 

 

OK found some Adelia Close Ratio internals from Dewpoint in Japan that sounds promising and affordable: http://www.dewpoint.tank.jp/product.html

200,000 Yen is about $2000AU

 

CC4A 1992-1996 Cyborg RS AWD MIVEC 1.6L 4G92 (Satria shape)

Gearbox Code W5M31 (Is the AWD gearbox)

 

Best version is the CC4A TYPE C version, top of the list below.

 

 

Part No.

Vehicle

1st

2nd

3rd

4th

5th

Price

 

 

0080-M1401

CC4A(～'92/6) TYPE-C

2.785

1.944

1.450

(STD)

(STD)

\200,000

 

 

0080-M1402

CC4A(～'92/6) TYPE-S

2.846

1.684

1.160

0.862

STD)

\190,000

 

 

0080-M5401

CD5A(前期) TYPE-S

2.846

(STD)

1.160

0.862

(STD)

\200,000

 

 

0080-M1030

CJ4A TYPE-S

3.142

2.316

1.692

1.258

(STD)

\200,000

Edited by EVO-00X, 16 January 2015 - 11:32 AM.

[Trippy]

Rob just put smaller tires on it lol, Spend the coin and get the right box and just swap it between the race cars.

[robevo]

You are a legend. Thanks heaps for the info.

currently im running a locked GSR box, at the track im shifting at 9800 and crossing the line in 3rd gear @118mph with a 24.5 slick.

The revs drop 1st to 2nd 5400, 2nd to 3rd 6100.

So in a nutshell I need a 6 speed box so the revs dont drop below 7000 on each gear change lol.

[jack be nimble]

Or shorten overall ratios with a custom diff ratio so you can cross line at 9000 in 4th or even 5th.

[Evo-00x]

Then swap out the gsr 58 tooth crownwheel for a evo 1 or 2 64 tooth crown and use a smaller wheel diameter like trippy said. That'll get you over in 4th.
9800 rpm? Horry sheeet!
I couldnt get my large single plate clutched GSR gearbox shifting without crunching at anything over 6500rpm at the track lol. I had to wait for the revs to drop because the gsr box only has a single synchro 3rd and 4th gear.
Are you contemplating putting a FWD box in?