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[matress]

Hey guys...

Just interested in your thoughts on this topic...

Should party drugs be legalised and sold over the counter at certain places?

This would allow the purity of the drugs to be moderated and could cause less overdoses and ensure the quality of the drugs being sold.

The current situation is a lot of backyarders manufacturing their own stuff... this would involve a compromise between making a profit and supplying a quality product. How much of a compromise is always an unkown and is subsequently a risk.

Pill testing is another option, and was discussed on J-TV a while ago, but the government and relevant authorities don't agree with it because they tend to think it will encourage drug use, which it probably would... but they apparently don't seem to care about harm minimisation.

The other thing that could slow drug use at nightclubs/pubs etc. would be to lower the prices of alcohol. This obviously won't happen though and would alcohol cheaper to buy for the people that would abuse it... so buy helping one problem, you would be effectively creating another.

Thoughts?

Mat

[tharaka]

if its sold legally over the counter

the other guys are just going to try and undercut them by offering a product with sub-par quality

[matress]

Do you think so?

If you had the option of buying something that you knew was safe for a similar price, which would you do?

Over the counter prices would have to be similar to the street price otherwise it wouldn't work. There's no reason why they couldn't be similar either. If it was manufactured in bulk to serve a statewide or nationwide market, there's no reason why the prices couldn't be competitive with a guy who has a lab in his garage.

[lefty]

no.

you dont need drugs, unless you want bits of your brain inside your head missing. I had these 2 girls once come up to me, they were off their head, told me they took some shit, and her friend was throwing up. I dont even know why they would do that. They were not attractive either so i got out as quick as i could As my dad says, "A head like that should ache".

no drugs required at all.
no smoking next year, finally, unless your in the casino.

[matress]

no.

you dont need drugs, unless you want bits of your brain inside your head missing. I had these 2 girls once come up to me, they were off their head, told me they took some shit, and her friend was throwing up. I dont even know why they would do that. They were not attractive either so i got out as quick as i could As my dad says, "A head like that should ache".

no drugs required at all.
no smoking next year, finally, unless your in the casino.

Whether or not you think its right or wrong, people will do it regardless!

Was the reason for her chucking up maybe because of dodgy chemicals in a pill that was supposed to be pure MDMA?

[tharaka]

Do you think so?

If you had the option of buying something that you knew was safe for a similar price, which would you do?

Over the counter prices would have to be similar to the street price otherwise it wouldn't work. There's no reason why they couldn't be similar either. If it was manufactured in bulk to serve a statewide or nationwide market, there's no reason why the prices couldn't be competitive with a guy who has a lab in his garage.

i honestly think people are going to want to pay less and get more

[BobWrinkle]

Making it in bulk will make it way easier to sell it cheaper then mr backyard could hope to make it for.

What about the otherside of the coin and banning all "party" drugs (including alcohol & tabacco)??

Makes it fair but is that what the general community wants?

[slinkovic]

Right now drugs are at a crossroad... Either we take their illegal use more seriously, and enforce a heftier penalty on offenders [ such as jail time ], or we empathise with the substance and their following and legalise, regulate and moderate their legal manufacture and distribution.

The latter would see jobs created, the minimalisation of shitty pills out there [ and there's heaaaaaps ], and an overall safer clubbing community. I mean, we all know smoking and drinking is responsible for the deaths of Australians... so it'd would be hypocritical to state that "party" drugs are just too dangerous. Consuming of drugs can result in injury or death due to their poor manufacture, the use of shitty ingredients and a lack of personal threshold/overall drug knowledge of the taker.

I can certainly see why conservative -and older- people would frown upon such a proposal. It's also worth noting that if this notion was followed, a new tax would, too.

[matress]

Right now drugs are at a crossroad... Either we take their illegal use more seriously, and enforce a heftier penalty on offenders [ such as jail time ], or we empathise with the substance and their following and legalise, regulate and moderate their legal manufacture and distribution.

The latter would see jobs created, the minimalisation of shitty pills out there [ and there's heaaaaaps ], and an overall safer clubbing community. I mean, we all know smoking and drinking is responsible for the deaths of Australians... so it'd would be hypocritical to state that "party" drugs are just too dangerous. Consuming of drugs can result in injury or death due to their poor manufacture, the use of shitty ingredients and a lack of personal threshold/overall drug knowledge of the taker.

I can certainly see why conservative -and older- people would frown upon such a proposal. It's also worth noting that if this notion was followed, a new tax would, too.

well said!

have a look at amsterdam for example... they're drug situation has worked out very well for them.

[BobWrinkle]

Haha while a very good point, drug use has been at a "cross roads" for just about ever. Different drug, different situation.

[matress]

Different drug, different situation.

Very true!

I strongly disagree with things like heroin and amphetamines being legalised, but thing's like MDMA/Ecstacy aswell as pot (not that I have any interest in it) being made available.

MDMA is considered safe by many "experts" in the medical field so long as the people take it are educated about the effects it can have on your body and know what to do if they do experience any negative effects, such as dehydration

[slinkovic]

Yes Mat I agree, MDMA and Pot should be legal... It's the garbage like Ice and speed that the legalisation would ultimately wipe out in the long run... Why risk it on a possible "bad batch" of the stuff [and it'd still be illegal, too] when the safer, cleaner, legal MD or Pot is readily available.

That'd exclude people who are addicted and/or need a "harder" hit, but there will always be minorities unreachable in many situations; not just drugs.

[p3akin]

Yup definately agree, MDMA and Ecstacy are perfectly fine to be legalised..

[THE411]

Couldn't agree more with lefty if i tried!

[Entaran]

Couldn't agree more with lefty if i tried!

+1

[Velocity Racing]

no.

you dont need drugs, unless you want bits of your brain inside your head missing. .

Couldnt agree more..

[NASI]

i have been over seas to halland where most of my family is from any who you can buy pills and dope over the counter for cheap you can not buy in bulk and also as stated above it makes the quilty alot better then what you would get here in oz and there cheap a normal pill cost around 2 dolla each

[slinkovic]

End of they day, MD and Pot usage is going to soar... the almost unspoken condoning of their use isn't stopping their popularity in anyway, neither is society's apathetic approach to drugs... why not legalise it and create a superior, safer product? Kids are still going to drop, legal or not!

[THE411]

If your life is so pointless that you need to chemically enhance it, thats your choice. It doesn't need to be promoted and glorified or even legalised. Making it legalised will of course bring down prices but will also inherit more usage and more deaths! And if it were to become legal, i'm sure what went on sale would be a dulled down version of what is available now, so people will once again go looking for that new high....once again backyard...once again more deaths! It is illegal for a reason, if you choose to take drugs then you must also realise that with choice comes consequence. And then when someone does die from an OD or a "bad batch" don't come crying about why it is so wrong....understand that they knew the risks, and still went ahead with it. Seems kinda stoopid to me! I don't care that anyone takes them, thats their choice, I also don't care when they die either, just don't push it on to others.

[matress]

Hey guys...

Just interested in your thoughts on this topic...

Should party drugs be legalised and sold over the counter at certain places?

This would allow the purity of the drugs to be moderated and could cause less overdoses and ensure the quality of the drugs being sold.

The current situation is a lot of backyarders manufacturing their own stuff... this would involve a compromise between making a profit and supplying a quality product. How much of a compromise is always an unkown and is subsequently a risk.

Pill testing is another option, and was discussed on J-TV a while ago, but the government and relevant authorities don't agree with it because they tend to think it will encourage drug use, which it probably would... but they apparently don't seem to care about harm minimisation.

The other thing that could slow drug use at nightclubs/pubs etc. would be to lower the prices of alcohol. This obviously won't happen though and would alcohol cheaper to buy for the people that would abuse it... so buy helping one problem, you would be effectively creating another.

Thoughts?

Mat