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[shauny]

Can someone tell me if evo swaybars fit gsr k-frames???

[olly]

they will, but i always thought they were the same size?..

[DOUGMO]

gsr and evo1 has a larger bar (22mm i think)at the front than gsr and the links mount to the arms.

evo 2-3 have a smaller(17mm i think) front sway bar and the links mount to the side of the front struts.

not 100% but if you use the right bushes i would hazard a guess and say that they would if you get the right bushes,arms and struts to keep the alignment all correct

[EVL20T]

EVO2/3 swaybars mount like this on the struts, while,the GSR/EVO1 mounts on the lower control arm eylets shown underneath

[Evo-00x]

The GSR/EVO1 swaybar are the same Shauny (and thicker diameter than 2/3). As mentioned EVO 2/3 are mounted onto the struts and wont suit GSR/EVO1.

[DOUGMO]

but will the evo bar mount up to the gsr crossmember with the right bushes?

[nk]

a bit off topic.. but how are the e2-3 hubs different to the e1/gsr?
i actually pulled one out a few months ago and they looked the same?

[EVL20T]

Who said anything about hubs??? The hubs are all the same... only difference is an inprint in the cast

[deviantek]

woohoo, looks like my evo 1 has evo 3 sway/control arms

[Liberoz]

but will the evo bar mount up to the gsr crossmember with the right bushes?

Yes they will as long as you have the correct sized bushes for the sway bar and the correct shocks to suit you can run evo sway bar and shocks with side mounted off the shock E2,3 sway bar on a gsr evo1

[DOUGMO]

thought so.cheers john

[Evo-00x]

Consideration would have to be given to the eyelet placement on the E2/3 swaybar as it could place the link at such a crazy angle to bolt onto the lower control arm on a GSR/E1. You'd want to make sure it wasnt going to kill links all the time. The GSR/EVO1 swaybar is good as it is and you should really use the correct swaybar for the suspension setup. If you dont have the EVO 2/3 struts to mount the E2/3 swaybar onto then consider getting Proton GTi front struts instead (same thing - not the hubs however).

[mrcyborg]

i always thought the e1 and e2 were the same and the e3 was the one with the cast arms and different hubs?
i know the e1 to e3 are diff hubs, sways and links?

[Liberoz]

Consideration would have to be given to the eyelet placement on the E2/3 swaybar as it could place the link at such a crazy angle to bolt onto the lower control arm on a GSR/E1. You'd want to make sure it wasnt going to kill links all the time. The GSR/EVO1 swaybar is good as it is and you should really use the correct swaybar for the suspension setup. If you dont have the EVO 2/3 struts to mount the E2/3 swaybar onto then consider getting Proton GTi front struts instead (same thing - not the hubs however).

There is no clearance or alignment issue's whats so ever with fitting evo 2.3 sway bars and shocks onto a gsr or evo one with the original lower control arms.

[shauny]

cheers guys
i'm putting a gsr kframe in my gti,
but seeing ultra dont make gsr swaybars i need to match one up, so ill be fine with evo1

[Evo-00x]

A GSR K-frame is gonna make no difference to your GTi K-frame Shauny!

Keep the GTi setup as its the same design as EVO 2/3!!! Only the hubs are different in GTi's as they use the 4x100 PCD 13" hub and mount the tie rod end from the bottom, not the top as the EVO 2/3. I've just gone through this same thing with a mates conversion for engineering. 2 weeks ago I did an E2 full front end suspension and K-frame conversion into a GSR, and last week did comparisons between GTi vs EVO 2/3 front suspension. Tomorrow I'm putting GTi suspension into a CC Lancer coupe. (busy boy). You can read up on the findings here: http://evocoupe.net/...t=3584&start=30 . I've just put up pics here http://orion2001.gal...u/Angelo?page=3 to show you and others that GTi suspension, swaybar, link and strut setup is the same as EVO 2/3. The lower control arm and hub are different.

Yeah Libz, if you have the E2/3 shocks and E2/3 swaybar then there wont be any issues. I thought you meant using E2/3 swaybar and linking to GSR/E1 lower control arms.

Edited by EVO-00X, 20 September 2008 - 12:30 AM.
Medication makes my mind wonder sometimes

[Liberoz]

A GSR K-frame is no different to your GTi K-frame Shauny! GSR/ GLXi Lancers and GTi and M21 Protons all have the same K-frame and crossmember.

Keep the GTi setup as its the same as EVO 2/3!!! Only the hubs are different in GTi;s as they use the 4x100 PCD 13" hub and mount the tie rod end from the bottom, not the top as the EVO 2/3. I've just gone through this same thing with a mates conversion for engineering. 2 weeks ago I did an E2 full front end suspension and K-frame conversion into a GSR, and last week did comparisons between GTi vs EVO 2/3 front suspension. Tomorrow I'm putting GTi suspension into a CC Lancer coupe. (busy boy). You can read up on the findings here: http://evocoupe.net/...t=3584&start=30 . I've just put up pics here http://orion2001.gal...u/Angelo?page=3 to show you and others that GTi suspension, swaybar, link and strut setup is the same as EVO 2/3. The lower control arm and hub are different.

Yeah Libz, if you have the E2/3 shocks and E2/3 swaybar then there wont be any issues. I thought you meant using E2/3 swaybar and linking to GSR/E1 lower control arms.

Here we go again

GSR K-Frame has completely different North South support captured bolts positioning to match the dog legged Nth/Sth support for clearance for an awd gearbox & transfer case.

If you are running a fwd gear box! what ever the engine is in there? you are better off keeping the GTi kframe as it is made for a fwd gear box

Look at it this way use the KFrame that matches the gear box you are using

[Evo-00x]

Fark man... I gotta lay off the medication. Maybe I should rewind a little to explain what I meant, sorry Jon/Shauny/others I just re-read what I wrote in the first sentence and I made the boo boo of saying GSR Kframe and crossmember is same as normal FWD (even though I know 100% well and true that its not the same as I've fkn changed the bastards in conversions I can only put it down to a brain explosion whilst writing lol) Please forgive me, I'll go and hide in the corner of the garage now and smack myself with the 1/2" drive torque wrench

The GSR K-frame wont offer any difference to his GTi K-frame for his purposes (as he is using a FWD gearbox he doesnt need the GSR K-frame and crossmember). If he is going to go AWD box then yeah, he will have to change them.

He should keep the GTi setup as its the same strut and swaybar link design as EVO 2/3.

[Liberoz]

Get off the meds Rob or re read what your writing in preview pane mode before posting lol

[EVL20T]

So y cant he just use the GSR K Frame and GSR crossmember but use the FWD box?? then later on if he decides to go AWD he can just throw in the box without the hassles of changing the crossmember and K frame...