Dilemma

[Hypo]

I currently have the EVO powered lancer with most of the gear required and I have had an enjoyable year racing the car.

I would like to go quicker next year and improve but without losing reliability.

I can see two paths here to ensure this happens.

1. Rebuild the current engine to the tune of 8k which would provide a reliable power plant for the track with around 200kw at the wheels potentially with the correct add ons (add a extra 7-8k)

2. Sell the Lancer as per the add and purchase a EVO VI.

I don't want to just chuck boost into the current engine and wait for it to pop!

Opinions comments?

Which path would you take.

By buying a semi modified Evo VI with the right parts I would spend the 8k on upgrading to the VI from the II and also on a rollcage.

Either way it an expensive decision.

What sort of engine rebuild would you expect for 8k. This is a drop the car off and come back and pick it up price.

 

[CLuTZ]

What makes you think that by giving it some more boost it's going to pop? You gotta have faith! If you have a well tuned car you should be able to see 200kw all day every day

 

[Missile]

Provided that you source the parts yourself I believe that $8k is achievable.

What makes you believe that the 6 is so much better than you're current car?

Have you contemplated having a dedicated race car (e.g. you will also need a daily driver). You can purchase 4/5/6 RS's for fairly cheap these days.

Also, have you also contemplated the repair bills between the two? e.g. if you were to have a light front ender or similar?

 

[Entaran]

First question

What type of racing?

Second question

Is the evo also your daily?

 

[WRCVR4]

No No you don't want a VI :|

 

[DOUGMO]

your car will easily take some more boost relaibly, just dont be silly and wind in too much.

irrc your only running about 11-12psi?

wind it up to about 17psi and get the afr checked(or ideally a reflash/tune)

and you will then be more in the efficency range of the turbo and it will come alive.

you have light weight on your side which counts for alot more.

a 160-180wkw early is no slouch,especially with weight out of it.

 

[EVO-00X]

Improve your suspension and braking performance to gain some valuable time instead

 

[BMGTZ]

8k drive in drive away..........why not do it yourself.... and spend the savings on other upgrades.

 

[rob323]

What's easier for you to throw at a wall?
As much as I would love an E6.5, I know I would be quicker in my old vr4 as I would be too scared to crash the evo.

 

[EVO85]

Evo VI

You will thank me later.

 

[Hypo]

What makes you think that by giving it some more boost it's going to pop? You gotta have faith! If you have a well tuned car you should be able to see 200kw all day every day

I want reliability hence still on factory boost. The car only covered about 2500km this year and the majority was on the track with the rest driving the car there.

Provided that you source the parts yourself I believe that $8k is achievable.

What makes you believe that the 6 is so much better than you're current car?

Have you contemplated having a dedicated race car (e.g. you will also need a daily driver). You can purchase 4/5/6 RS's for fairly cheap these days.

Also, have you also contemplated the repair bills between the two? e.g. if you were to have a light front ender or similar?

8k is a drive in drive out quote which I have been given. This inlcudes running the engine in on a engine dyno and all filters and injectors etc cleaned.

I believe that with the VI being a superior vehicle it should technically be quicker out of the box.

This car is pretty much dedicated except that it is road registered so that I can drive it to and from the track.

Either way it will be an expensive exercise if I crash.

First question

What type of racing?

Second question

Is the evo also your daily?

Just sprints and hill climbs

Nope it sits in the garage all day.

your car will easily take some more boost relaibly, just dont be silly and wind in too much.

irrc your only running about 11-12psi?

wind it up to about 17psi and get the afr checked(or ideally a reflash/tune)

and you will then be more in the efficency range of the turbo and it will come alive.

you have light weight on your side which counts for alot more.

a 160-180wkw early is no slouch,especially with weight out of it.

Yup on factory boost at the moment.

The weight is a benefit at the moment. I am doing similiar times around QR as a EVO VI with 70-80 more Kw.

I want reliability more then anything and with 100,000 km on the engine I don't want to crank more boost in.

Improve your suspension and braking performance to gain some valuable time instead

Already has Teins and upgraded pads rotors and lines.

I have been eyeing Dougmos brakes though.

8k drive in drive away..........why not do it yourself.... and spend the savings on other upgrades.

Sure if it wasn't expected to see the rigours of track use.

Imagine spending all the money on parts and for the labour costs of 2k it stuffs up.

What's easier for you to throw at a wall?
As much as I would love an E6.5, I know I would be quicker in my old vr4 as I would be too scared to crash the evo.

Repair wise similiar. They both use a majority of base model parts.

Evo VI

You will thank me later.

Why?

Apologies for the delay in responding. Have had a new addition to the family.

 

[ENGINR]

Do you have an emotional attachment to the car which would make it hard for you to sell?

If you don't - IMO go for the VI. You have Brembos standard, you can now flash the VI ECUs, lightweight body parts are more readily available, bolt in rollcages should be more readily available, it's a newer car so parts should in theory be easier to find if you need to repair it, plus you have more whiz-bang gadgets on the VI which you don't get on the II.

I've contemplated the same thing as you - but I'm too emotionally attached to the Coupe, so I'm stuck with throwing more $$$ at it to make it more like something I could buy already done.

 

[blackers10]

I think just purchase a race ready or race/rally only import and go from there
way cheaper and easier than building your own

 

[DOUGMO]

ask marinetowing,he has both

 

[thirteen]

Edit: A man could go crazy with lust looking at the race/rally ready cars on My105.com

 

[marinetowing]

If you want a track only car the 6 will win hands down, yes out of the box a much more superior machine.

Having used my GSR for sprints and hillclimbs and now having a dedicated track 6.5 I can tell you that the differences between the 2 on the track are staggering.
It does need to be mentioned that my GSR is far from stock and is fitted with dms suspension, porsche brakes and cusco bracing but comes nowhere near the 6.5 in the handling department!
The only difference in the 2 cars which gives the GSR the upper hand was the power, as the tme is relatively stock and the GSR is far from it, the power out of corners and on the straights is quite different also the weight difference between the 2 give the GSR the advantage.

If you are as hooked into running events as I am and think you will continue to compete into the future I recommend going for a dedicated track 6 without a doubt:thumbsup:

 

[Hypo]

The issue I have with a non registered car is the place to put the car trailer.

I have decided to continue with the EVO II.

Will see how I go in a years time when it comes time to run some serious events.

 

[Entaran]

In all eastern states, competitive road cars can be issued with club registration through the club that certifies your CAMS license. This allows you to drive the vehicle on public roads to/from events and workshops as well as during events (between staging points etc). I don't know if that scheme extends west, but I am pretty sure QLD, NSW, ACT and VIC all have it.

 

[Hypo]

This scheme is extremely limited in QLD for non rally vehicles.

 

[ENGINR]

So what are you doing for a new engine?