ECU Pulls Timing - Inconsistent Power Output

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ENGINR

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First up - sorry for the long post - but I'm getting desperate and need help working this out.

I'm getting the ECU in my car tuned (it's an E2 ECU with a chip on my 2.3 litre) and sofar the results the guys have obtained are fantastic and I'm nothing short of impressed with the effort and integrity they've put into this job of work.

It rolled in with 143kw atw according to their dyno and after they've started tuning HAS pulled 192 kw atw. I say HAS because he is finding that the car runs inconsistently. The next power run it did gave 177kw, then 182kw, then 156kw, then 172kw (etc etc etc). It just fluctuated and he couldn't get it to pull the same power figure more than once.

He said it's retarding timing and injecting more fuel and he can't understand why it would be doing that. His tune is great, the A/F ratios are nowhere near lean and the boost is no higher than 16psi. The thought is that the factory knock sensor is detecting something that it's reading as knock (a mechanical noise perhaps?) and pulling timing, or an electrical interference is causing it to retard the timing (I just don't know).

I've spoken to a mate who is a bit of a Mitsu tech head and he told me that the knock sensors are matched to the ECU (????) and that you MUST have the right knock sensor paired to your ECU (part number to part number). Something about our beloved Mitsubishi constantly doing tiny little changes along the line to what we believe are the same parts.....

Does anybody know where I could find out how to pair a knock sensor PN to an ECU PN? I got the ECU from one source and the knock sensor from another (it's-a-bitza combination) as he is certain that it's something to do with the knock sensor but just can't think of what would be causing it to retard the timing. He said if the car was pulling the same power figure more than once he'd be happy but it's just frustrating him now and he wants to give me the car satisfied that it's consistently performing to its full potential.

He's going to disconnect the knock sensor and ensure his dyno sensors are hooked up and try running it like that tomorrow, so if it fixes the problem - we know it's the knock sensor, but how do I get the right one to keep the problem solved!?
 
've spoken to a mate who is a bit of a Mitsu tech head and he told me that the knock sensors are matched to the ECU (????) and that you MUST have the right knock sensor paired to your ECU (part number to part number). Something about our beloved Mitsubishi constantly doing tiny little changes along the line to what we believe are the same parts.....
That is completely incorrect. All you need to do is find the correct knock sensor for an Evo 2 .
I'm not too sure which one it is though, 2g?
 
I've got an EVO knock sensor in it - they look different to the 1G sensors. When you say find a knock sensor for an E2, do you mean it HAS to be a knock sensor from an E2 or can it be from an E1 or E3?
 
The chip you are running- is it done for an 055 MAF or 069 MAF?? Are you using the correct one corresponding to the chip?

I've had my fair few problems with little niggly things like these. I often find that a datalogger is a very handy tool! Do you know if it has a OBD port? I have a logger if you need to use it......


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Not sure Dre - Rob should be able to compensate for it either way though, I'm pretty sure he's basically starting the chip from scratch on the thing.

I don't know if it's got an OBD port or not, I transferred the wiring from an E2 over to it without removing anything.

You would have seen him running it on the dyno on Monday if you were there working on your 'Borg! How does it sound on full noise?!
 
ENGINR said:
Not sure Dre - Rob should be able to compensate for it either way though, I'm pretty sure he's basically starting the chip from scratch on the thing.

I don't know if it's got an OBD port or not, I transferred the wiring from an E2 over to it without removing anything.

You would have seen him running it on the dyno on Monday if you were there working on your 'Borg! How does it sound on full noise?!


Yeah I did- sounds good! That muffler is amazing too!!

Sounds like it could be phantom knock... Have they tried disconnecting the knock sensor or at least pulling it out to get a good look at it? They do perish after time.


Another thing to look at- is base timing. Everything ok?
 
Well, I got the phone call from Rob......

I'd screwed the knock sensor into the wrong location when I put the engine together, no wonder it was running so crap!! :oops:

But he's fixed it - all better now :twisted:
 
ENGINR said:
Well, I got the phone call from Rob......

I'd screwed the knock sensor into the wrong location when I put the engine together, no wonder it was running so crap!! :oops:

But he's fixed it - all better now :twisted:

Ha! its always something simple- but its also always the last thing to check!

Any power figures handy??
 
Am going to leave it for a while and just enjoy it for how it is at the moment. I've poured more than enough frustration, blood, sweat, tears and $$$ into it to get it to this point.

I've got an AVC-R sitting at home that Rob said he'll install and tune for me when I'm ready. He should be able to wind it upto about 20psi using that :twisted: and I'll look at a GT Pumps enhanced turbine housing with larger waste-gate flap to stop boost creep. The clutch already slipped a bit when we took it for a drive tonight so I think an upgrade is on the books soon too, so there's more $$$.

But for the moment I'm going to leave it alone and just drive it. If I get enough track-time out of it over a period of time then it's worthwhile going a bit further with it in the future, otherwise it's just money down the toilet. I mean where do you stop!?!?!?!
 
Nah mate, I've gotta reign it in a bit - I got work I need to do around the house which requires $$$ and mortgage payments to keep on top of!

It sux but you gotta do grown-up things every now and then!
 
ENGINR said:
CLuTZ said:
Any power figures handy??

Yep....


202kw atw on 15psi.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I am absolutely blown away with what Rob's done with the tune. The car feels and drives fantastic.


Wow- you'd have to be happy with that! Thats a HUGE improvement over what it was!

My old VR4 had 202kw atw on the street and was hella quick! managed a 12.5@109- you must be stoked with that amount of power! :D
 
the lack of constant power in a car really sucks...my skyline used to be the same until i foound the problem

im glad its running sweet now mate and all the time too,thats the main thing
 

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