EVo 1 Tein Supspension

[What-Lag]

I got a set of teins for an evo 1 with my car. i took them out as the springs were way too hard.

I found out today that its 14kg front and 12kg rear, is there much need for these sort of shocks as they would only be useful for track only or should i just throw them away?

Next would be What sort of shocks do people use for a cross over as to replace the above with something street-able is $3600 from tein.


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[VR-4Squid]

I got a set of teins for an evo 1 with my car. i took them out as the springs were way too hard.

I found out today that its 14kg front and 12kg rear, is there much need for these sort of shocks as they would only be useful for track only or should i just throw them away?

Next would be What sort of shocks do people use for a cross over as to replace the above with something street-able is $3600 from tein.


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If you're going to just throw them away I'll have them.

Call the Aussie Tein distributor and see how much for a set of 8kg and 6kg springs, plus re-valving the shocks to suit the new spring rates.

 

[evopwr]

What type of teins do you have? If those springs came with the coilovers as standard, it sounds like you have the circuit-spec teins.

For something streetable you would want super-street type Teins.

If you want to keep these and convert them to 'street-spec' you could always ring up Fulcrum and get a price on shock revalving to a softer spec. They rebuild Teins so it may not be as expensive as buying new ones. As for springs you can either get genuine Teins Super-Street style (whick are 6kg front/5kg rear from memory) or get equivalent King spring coils.

But i dare say all that would cost you more than selling these, and buying a new set of super-street.


-alex

edit: as above, you beat me to it lol

 

[What-Lag]

Yer fulcrum have them atm as they are a sponsor of our club and they have done a fair bit of work on my old supra.. They have said 2400 to convert them over or 3600 for a new set.

So i guess the best bet is to just try and sell them.

 

[BMGTZ]

So i guess the best bet is to just try and sell them.

how much?

 

[What-Lag]

how much?

Lol.. i have no idea fulcrum said they were in OK condition and passed there tests
If a new set is 3600 i would assume around 1k they have the camber tops and stuff on them aswell.

 

[Hypo]

What about just swapping the springs with my super streets

 

[evopwr]

Hey mate, you can buy superstreets for $2500 new from Fulcrum. $3600 is the RRP which is, ahem, BS.

I know this for a fact as I went with my mate to Fulcrum in Preston and he bought a new set for $2.5k, I can send you the receipt if that helps.

 

[What-Lag]

Hey mate, you can buy superstreets for $2500 new from Fulcrum. $3600 is the RRP which is, ahem, BS.

I know this for a fact as I went with my mate to Fulcrum in Preston and he bought a new set for $2.5k, I can send you the receipt if that helps.

i can only go on what they told me and thats through head office. that wasnt the super streets it was what i have now which i will find out what they are when i see them tomoz. they dont have any in aus anyway, 2500 is still more then i have.
anyhelp with pricing for the ones i have would be apreciated.

 

[Paul]

Super Streets are Tein's entry level coilover. They're more expensive than G4/D2/K-sports, but IMO not necessarily any better. When lowering the car on SS. you increase spring preload, which essentially increases static spring rate, and shortens suspension travel.

If you have to go Tein, i'd be looking at the MonoFlex. Ride height and Spring preload are independent of each other, and it has much more sophisticated valving over the SS.

 

[evopwr]

Entry level, yes. But that's entry level by Tien's standards. Compared to the chinese sh**t its above and beyond their 'premium' level coilovers.

Build quality is exceptional. Steel shock as opposed to chinese aluminium. Heavier by 1kg but durability increases 10 fold. Shock travel is actually designed for Melbourne's pot-holes, unlike 'race-spec' shocks which are no better than riding on bricks. Helper springs keep the spring centred when full shock travel occurs - how many D2's or G4's come with that?
It's the little things, that all add up to drivability and quality, that the chinese counterparts don't have.

After riding in my mates car for a day, I'd prefer 'entry-level' superstreets over 'circuit-spec' Ohlins (which would cost about x3 more new) that I have on my car. Seriously, I'm not Schumaher (yes I don't like admitting it either) and don't need to wipe off 0.001sec of my lap times with spine-breaking coilovers.

 

[What-Lag]

doesnt help me work out how much to my sell mine for

 

[evopwr]

$1.70

 

[Paul]

Wow Alex, did i hit a soft spot?

I agree about the durability, quality, and overall build of the coilover is better than the likes of G4/D2, but to do as a coilover is designed to do, no thanks.

Horse for courses, and for me there's no need to have coilovers on the streets, other than the ability to adjust ride height.

Basically a Super Street Coilover is a shock/spring combo with an adjustable spring perch to lower ride height, by increasing spring preload, hence sacrificing ride quality. Definately not the best way to go about it.

If you don't have the dollars to drop on coilovers, and the car is only used for the street, even a KYB AGX/SR Special and progressive spring combo will suffice.

Why do you need coilovers?

 

[evopwr]

Not having a go at you at all Paul.

I see where you're coming from: if you want street-spec handling and ride comfort, shocks+progressive spring combo is the way to go.

You are right in saying that when you adjust ride height the spring K factor changes. This is why you would need to adjust the shock bound/rebound to suit (Teins do have damper adjustmets). Also suspension travel is not compromised from spring compression, thats what helper springs are there for.

And yes I have to agree - coilvers are primarily bought and used to set the ride height.

Thing that gives me the shiets is that I read alot of good stuff about 'G4/D2' and vise versa about super-streets; whereas in reality I have experienced the absolute opposite!

 

[milkandoj]

Here's one good reason why tien are better.
D2 and G4's are the cheapest shit and leak, then no one want to service or rebuild them. Can probably throw k-sports and BC ins that basket to. (shit i'm wondering if to get k-spots but leaking after a year or two and not being able to get them serviced would suck)

Tein's however you can get serviced every few years in Australia, failing that you can get them rebuild here, when they leak.

 

[VR-4Squid]

Entry level, yes. But that's entry level by Tien's standards. Compared to the chinese sh**t its above and beyond their 'premium' level coilovers.

Build quality is exceptional. Steel shock as opposed to chinese aluminium. Heavier by 1kg but durability increases 10 fold. Shock travel is actually designed for Melbourne's pot-holes, unlike 'race-spec' shocks which are no better than riding on bricks. Helper springs keep the spring centred when full shock travel occurs - how many D2's or G4's come with that?
It's the little things, that all add up to drivability and quality, that the chinese counterparts don't have.

After riding in my mates car for a day, I'd prefer 'entry-level' superstreets over 'circuit-spec' Ohlins (which would cost about x3 more new) that I have on my car. Seriously, I'm not Schumaher (yes I don't like admitting it either) and don't need to wipe off 0.001sec of my lap times with spine-breaking coilovers.

You're mostly right, but D2's etc don't come with keeper springs because the ride height isn't adjusted with the spring seat, thus (when set correctly) the spring doesn't come loose when the suspension droops.

I wouldn't buy D2's, but I wouldn't buy superstreets either.

I've actually got a set of Cusco Zero2's and whilst they are not soft by any stretch of the imagination they are tolerable on the street when set to soft (and will rattle your fillings out when set to hard).

For a daily a king/kyb combo will do just fine, though really why waste the money? Get the cheapest pos you can find for a daily and it leaves you more money to spend on a race car.