Help me make power!!!!

[ted]

Hi all,

Its finally happening ive put paintball on the back burner and funnily enough my cars are coming together
So now i need advice/help/direction firstly a list below of what i have engine/trans wise and what i want to achieve is an 11.5 et street driven FWD....
Now i need advice on injectors, fuel pressure reg, fuel rail, feed pump(s) ect i want to run E85 AND 98 pulp if possible with two tunes to suit either the car will also be running an ecm ecu any advice would be brilliant feel free to hang shit

TRANS
•Aldo spec manaulised auto with shift box
•3500rpm Stall
•GSR front drive shafts
•SETRAB trans cooler


ENGINE
•4G93T-4G93P block CA18DET rods, 4AGZE pistons, ARP through out engine
•6Boost mani
•Kando TD05H-60/1
•drop in cams close to kelford stage T212B
•PWR water to air barrel cooler
•Magna T/B on stock intake
•255lph Intake walbro (will be a lift pump)

 

[CLuTZ]

Any reason why you're sticking with a '93T?

Personally, i'd go 4G63T with aftermarket cast manifold and a 20g.

EVO 560cc's for pump and 1050cc+ for E85

 

[bazeng]

1600cc Bosch ev14 / id injectors.
044 x 2 pumps.
stock rail
magna fuel fpr or equivalent

enough fuel for you when you go bigger turbo.

 

[ted]

Clutz: Im sort of chasing from what i can gather was Aus fastest fwd 4g93t BJ had it from what i can gather please correct me if im wrong, plus ive got a mad soft spot for it for some unknown reason

BAZ:Thanks man will i get away with the 1600cc on 98 also?

 

[khubner1]

grab a haltech ecu some of the new models have the provision for a flex fuel sensor. take it to the tuner he tunes for pump 98 then you drain the tank tune for eflex then add pump 98 to guage the tune along different level of flex fuel. well thats how the guy at P.I.T.S explained it

on a g93t i'd say 1000cc's should be plenty

 

[ted]

Really? Cool so it automatically adjust to fuel your saying?

 

[khubner1]

yep

http://www.haltech.com/product/platinum-sport-series/the-platinum-sport-1000/
http://www.haltech.com/flex-fuel-sensor/

 

[ted]

Thats awesome! Pricey?

 

[khubner1]

then after you've done everything and worked out the cost i'll copy you. been looking at flex etc seriously for a while now but alas proper job and strong motor first

i think the platinum sport is the cheapest with eflex available
at 1800 odd with a unterminated loom for the ecu alone not the cheapest option add 249 if you want the flex sensor

so what 3.5k for the ecu inc tuning
note aus prices from haltech website probably available cheaper if you look

 

[4piknup]

My calculator says to do a 11.5 you will need 118mph, 7.4 on the 1 /8 a 60' near 1.6
I think the 560 will be near maxed out I was going to say 800cc but baz 1600s would do for both.
Your walbro would be enough for 98 but not enough for e85.
Pity you couldnt run 1 pump for when on petrol and 2 pumps when on e85.

You can work out what awhp you will need and from there boost required

 

[BRUSHED]

I've got 800cc in my engine and if it wasn't for the gearbox letting go on the dyno at 280kw at the wheels I would of got to 320-330kw but that's with a Garrett 3037s and supporting mods. How much power are you looking at

 

[ENGINR]

My 1000cc ID injectors maxed out at 293kw atw with a GTX3076R and the 0.82 exhaust housing on E85. My tuner told me the injectors was what was limiting more power - but considering the gearbox was going to be the next link in the chain to let go, it was probably a good thing!

 

[4piknup]

Its gotta be there somewhere brushed. Depends on weight but I think it will need 280kwatw.

 

[bazeng]

I made 300kw at 4 wheels on 98 ron with a single walbro255 and 1000cc injectors.
360kw with 1600cc and a single 044 fed by the walbro on 98ron.
425kw with e85 with 2000cc and a big sx 1000hp pump on e85.

Just remember you want to aim for 80 percent duty as a maximum.
e85 requires approx 50 percent more fuel vs 98 to make the same power .

You 800cc for example quickly changes to 1200cc for the same power.
At idle your previous value of 80VE in your fuel map is multiplied by 1.5 approxto run correctly.

Hope that makes sense.
But don't go too big. You want decent low duty spray pattern for cruise and idle so going too big will have consequences.

Remember, other ecu s like new motecs and Autronic ecus can do fuel flex.
It is simply using a 0-5v input to monitor the fuel sensor which is then mapped to trim the fuel table.

Example.
sensor sees 5 volts, it multipliesthe fuel table by a specific percentage to compensatefor e85/e10/e50 etc.

 

[4piknup]

Also from the calculator. If you weigh 2600lbs 1300kg you will need 330 whp or 380 chp. To get 11.5 this is 17% drivetrain loss which is probably about right

 

[BRUSHED]

280kw at the front wheels on pump fuel with 800cc injectors won't be a problem as you don't have as much driveline power loss as I do with AWD

 

[ted]

Awesome!!! You blokes are a wealth of knowledge!! Much appreciated!!

 

[BRUSHED]

Don't listen to Dre with his 4g63 change, stay with the 93 power hahaha, I've got good power out of my 93, it's just a cheaper option if your starting off fresh to go a 63

 

[4piknup]

Do you have kw figures yet for your engine and what boost.

 

[BRUSHED]

The gearbox blew only on Monday so gotta get it fixed before I can get it back on the dyno. It did 280kw at all 4 on 20 pound, still 5 pound off what's recommended for my turbo, still only a 4g93 also. Oh yeah I was told I needed more spark though cos it was cutting out at high revs