Kandos GT35R equivalent?
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Benzo4gT
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All I have found is this ↓
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Turbocharger-Kinugawa-4-TD06H-25G-12cm-T3-Flange-Garrett-GT3582R-Killer-550HP-/281262708691?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417c9057d3
Seems to be a big claim, not sure how close it would come to a GT35R. It's not BB, but for half the price of a Garrett I'd say it certainly kills it in price.
Kinugawa make solid turbos.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Turbocharger-Kinugawa-4-TD06H-25G-12cm-T3-Flange-Garrett-GT3582R-Killer-550HP-/281262708691?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item417c9057d3
Seems to be a big claim, not sure how close it would come to a GT35R. It's not BB, but for half the price of a Garrett I'd say it certainly kills it in price.
Kinugawa make solid turbos.
evo-gsr
Well-Known Member
Buy one George and wind the boost right up.....drive it like you stole it !
Report back.
Report back.
Benzo4gT
Operator
I'd love to know what the boost threshold would be on a 4g63. They have 8cm^2 .63 A/R housings as well, might pay to msg them and enquire if the ex. housing can be changed to be more suitable for a 63.
Yeah, I mailed him today and he got back to me asking about the flange type and configuration. I told him it needs to fit same as TD05 exhaust but any cold side config would work. Nothing heard back yet.
I have looked at that one Ben, and picture this scenario Jamo; Accel of the line, wait 3 mins for boost threshold, brake for first corner, accel from corner, wait 3 mins on lag, hold it pinned in 2nd through 7000, hit 32psi, stretch ARP's, pressurize cooling system, take a big gulp of coolant on the change to 3rd, engine becomes road fertilizer, wifey beats me round the head with pace notes as we roll to a stop, GTR35 30 seconds behind hits big puddle of my oil and coolant, disappears off into the bush, hits tree, explodes, dies ..... etc.
It's probably too big hey. I'm not going to make 500 on this engine, I was too cheap on the head. I was thinking something more like this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Billet-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-25G-4G63T-DSM-EVO-1-3-VR-4-/291057848224?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c4664fa0
But without the compressor data, its hard to make a match for my engine. I run his TD05 16 atm but with the 2.3 capacity I have massive back-pressure in the manifold at high rpm. I need/want the same spool times i've got now but with a better pressure ratio and some more cold side lbs/min.
I have looked at that one Ben, and picture this scenario Jamo; Accel of the line, wait 3 mins for boost threshold, brake for first corner, accel from corner, wait 3 mins on lag, hold it pinned in 2nd through 7000, hit 32psi, stretch ARP's, pressurize cooling system, take a big gulp of coolant on the change to 3rd, engine becomes road fertilizer, wifey beats me round the head with pace notes as we roll to a stop, GTR35 30 seconds behind hits big puddle of my oil and coolant, disappears off into the bush, hits tree, explodes, dies ..... etc.
It's probably too big hey. I'm not going to make 500 on this engine, I was too cheap on the head. I was thinking something more like this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Billet-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-25G-4G63T-DSM-EVO-1-3-VR-4-/291057848224?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c4664fa0
But without the compressor data, its hard to make a match for my engine. I run his TD05 16 atm but with the 2.3 capacity I have massive back-pressure in the manifold at high rpm. I need/want the same spool times i've got now but with a better pressure ratio and some more cold side lbs/min.
evo-gsr
Well-Known Member
I run that TD06sl2-25g turbo on mine Geo....will have a power figure on eflex by the end of this week. Its at the tuners as we speak...Cant wait!
BMGTZ
Grumpy old man from the school of hard knocks
my choice
http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFP68HTA&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo
it has an 8cm housing so will flow more than you current 7cm....but you might even try to just fit an 8cm to yours and see if it cures the issues.
http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFP68HTA&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo
it has an 8cm housing so will flow more than you current 7cm....but you might even try to just fit an 8cm to yours and see if it cures the issues.
croket
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Geo&Kez said:
What about the gt pumps td05 20g ? Im sure i saw one on here for $500 the other day , ive got one and its awesome
evo-gsr
Well-Known Member
It was a Kando for $500 that you saw.
Benzo4gT
Operator
Have a look at this one George, this might flow a bit better on the ex. side of things and drop the manifold pressure a bit.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Satosi-Billet-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-25G-4G63T-EVO-3-VR-4-/291057848205?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c4664f8d
Is it just the exhaust pressure that is the concern or are you after a performance upgrade as well? Has your Ex. manifold been ported?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Satosi-Billet-Turbocharger-3-Anti-Surge-TD06SL2-25G-4G63T-EVO-3-VR-4-/291057848205?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43c4664f8d
Is it just the exhaust pressure that is the concern or are you after a performance upgrade as well? Has your Ex. manifold been ported?
1JUM2NV has the td05h-20g. The 20g will some way to solve my back pressure issue, but the TD05 is still too small. That last one you posted Ben is probably a better size. Back pressure is one problem but being well outside the compressor efficiency is a killer too, lifts intake air temps and kills VE.
My calcs say I need about 46 lb/min or roughly 605cfm to be making 420ish HP just under 7000rpm, which I think is fairly realistic for what I'm doing with the car. This will need a fairly conservative 24psi at the manifold. I worked out a pressure ratio of 2.99 @ 6900rpm would need 46lb/min (605) and at peak torque ( guesstimate) 31lb/min @ 4500rpm.
The best flow map I found for these numbers was a GT3076R (0.60A/R). So I guess you win George. The FP DSM green is as about as close a match to that as I could find, with the slightly smaller comp wheel giving a little more margin on the surge I imagine, but I haven't been able to find a flow map for it. Don't suppose you have one?
Now that that's all worked out, it doesn't help me any, still looking at $1600+ before it's at the door (internal gate, oil line etc..) No budget for that yet.
Anyone with a 20g want to do swappies for a 16g big?
Anyone need a kidney?
Thanks for your input fellas
My calcs say I need about 46 lb/min or roughly 605cfm to be making 420ish HP just under 7000rpm, which I think is fairly realistic for what I'm doing with the car. This will need a fairly conservative 24psi at the manifold. I worked out a pressure ratio of 2.99 @ 6900rpm would need 46lb/min (605) and at peak torque ( guesstimate) 31lb/min @ 4500rpm.
The best flow map I found for these numbers was a GT3076R (0.60A/R). So I guess you win George. The FP DSM green is as about as close a match to that as I could find, with the slightly smaller comp wheel giving a little more margin on the surge I imagine, but I haven't been able to find a flow map for it. Don't suppose you have one?
Now that that's all worked out, it doesn't help me any, still looking at $1600+ before it's at the door (internal gate, oil line etc..) No budget for that yet.
Anyone with a 20g want to do swappies for a 16g big?
Anyone need a kidney?
Thanks for your input fellas
evo-gsr
Well-Known Member
You should of bought my 20g when you had the chance George!
4piknup
master of none
There is a 3066 for sale on here. I was going to ask what turbine was on it. Its only a little smaller than a 76. (If 10mm isnt much)
BMGTZ
Grumpy old man from the school of hard knocks
Geo&Kez said:
this still seems to fit the bill George....http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFP68HTA&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo
Flow rating - 51LB per minute
Turbine Housing - FP 8CM
will bolt straight up to what you have....same cooler pipes....same oil line...same water line.
ben used one on his three....brad is using one on his two and making 260 kw at the wheel with a 7cm housing stating the 8cm was too big on his built 2ltr...so the 8cm should about right on a 2.3. I think it is a good thing so that would be why there is one ready to bolt on in my shed...one day when im not working on some one elses car trying pay off her *^&% caravan
