Turbo choice

[Michael]

Still trying to decide what turbo to go for on my 2.3L, has anyone used or known anyone to use the KKR 560 turbo on a 4g? Will it bolt straight up or need an adapter plate? Also would it be too laggy for a 2.3 as it's recommended for 2.5-4.0L motors? Just asking as I seen one on eBay pretty cheap.

Other options I'm looking at is td06 20g or GT3076R, what are your opinions on those turbos for my motor? I want something that will still give me decent response but also be good for around 250atw.

 

[EVOCPE]

Depending on what/how u want it to be set up, if you want a BOLT ON turbo to suit the standard evo cooler kit etc then a TD06 20G will be fine for 250awkw, even go a 60-1

 

[GSRWRC]

The GT3076R is my pick from that bunch on a 2.3L. My plan when I was going 2.2L was to run a FP3076R HTA with ATP 1.06 A/R twinscroll exhaust housing.

A 20G would have to be pushed pretty hard to make 250kW, and the 60-1 is a very old school compressor which isn't that responsive. If you were looking at something stock framed my recipe would be this:

Evo X 12cm t/s exhaust housing
TD06SL2 turbine
Evo IV-VI centre housing
T04S 52 trim compressor
TD06 compressor housing.

Of course that'll require a custom manifold, inlet and is a bit experimental (Never seen such a combo before) The GT3076 would be a safe option, and make up to 300kW if you ask it to.

 

[dj_konix]

seen that combo done in america just after the evo x came out, looked rough as guts but made good power with awesome response! just go a td06-25g like me haha, lag city

 

[Michael]

seen that combo done in america just after the evo x came out, looked rough as guts but made good power with awesome response! just go a td06-25g like me haha, lag city

I thought about the 25g. Are u running it on a 2.0L or stroker?

 

[4piknup]

there is a pretty cool iphone app called 'boost advisor' made by garrett. answer a heap of questions about what you want and it gives you a choice of the garrett turbos and turbo maps to look at.
available free from itunes

 

[Michael]

Haha cool I'll check it out

 

[Michael]

Can a GT30/40 be made to fit up with my GT pumps manifold? Or would I need a whole new manifold?

 

[milkandoj]

Can a GT30/40 be made to fit up with my GT pumps manifold? Or would I need a whole new manifold?

You would need something in a bolt on mitsi housing to be able to use the gt pumps manifold. Otherwise you going to have to go t3 open or divided ect.

 

[GSRWRC]

Can a GT30/40 be made to fit up with my GT pumps manifold? Or would I need a whole new manifold?

The 30/40 is a pig of a turbo, poorly matched compressor to turbine. I have a mate that found a 35/40 just as responsive after upgrading from the 30/40, except it made a truckload more power.

 

[EVOCPE]

This will bolt onto the GT pumps manifold

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFPGREEN&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo

 

[Michael]

Now that's a nice bit of kit! has anyone experimented with the turbos off eBay? Arashi and Kando dynamics make a TD06SL2-20G for about $730 delivered, cheap Chinese crap or do they do the job?

 

[EVOCPE]

Im using a td06sl2 20g. havnt had a prob yet. only been a month though

 

[milkandoj]

Im using a td06sl2 20g. havnt had a prob yet. only been a month though

Nice. When are you getting over 20psi? 3 examples i've heard of so far its been around 4500, you'd expect 3800-4000.

 

[Michael]

Im using a td06sl2 20g. havnt had a prob yet. only been a month though

How u finding it? pretty responsive? That would be good enough for around 250atw yeh?

 

[dj_konix]

I thought about the 25g. Are u running it on a 2.0L or stroker?

Im running it on a rebuilt 2.0 litre with 272 cams and aftermarket ecu

 

[GSRWRC]

Now that's a nice bit of kit! has anyone experimented with the turbos off eBay? Arashi and Kando dynamics make a TD06SL2-20G for about $730 delivered, cheap Chinese crap or do they do the job?

Kando is Taiwanese, I've run a TD06SL2 turbine of his paired with a GTPumps 20G compressor and had no issues with it. Have also heard good things about Greensource on the US eBay store. A mate bought a TD06H4 turbine from them and can't pick it from a factory MHI unit.

 

[EVO-00X]

The 30/40 is a pig of a turbo, poorly matched compressor to turbine. I have a mate that found a 35/40 just as responsive after upgrading from the 30/40, except it made a truckload more power.

'Pig' is a bit harsh isnt it? :lol: There's nothing pig-like when taking my car for a drive except the idle :lol:
If its the same person then I remember when he was running the GT3040 and making about 316kw (425hp) @ 22psi. It had a 0.82 rear with usable boost from 3500rpm and full 22psi boost at 4500rpm. When he changed the turbo to a 35R it made about 3kw more on the same 22psi level with approx 250rpm loss in boost threshhold. It wasnt until he pumped more boost and tune into it when the 35R came on song. A lot of people (and tuners) have said a lot of things about the GT3040 (GT3082R) over the years but real life examples show mixed results. Just like the 35R, the 3040 loves it on a 2.0-3.0 litre engine when its got 30psi running through it. Actually Baz has some really good results on his 2.3 stroker at 30psi with a Gt3040 in this forum somewhere .
My GT3040 on 23psi provides a linear spool and power delivery like driving a larger capacity engine. I can drive around off boost all day every day and have better fuel consumption than my stock EVO III and other friends cars running TD05's or TD06's and still flog the crap out of them :lol: . The power certainly gets made and it keeps pulling to my current 8200rpm limiter, just that when I compare it to driving other friends cars with mixed GTBB setups it doesnt push you back in your seat with the responsiveness of a GT3076R on the same boost and rpm levels (I'd have to drop back a gear first) - but it keeps pulling to my rev limiter and wants to go beyond it when the 3076R would die out up top. The power also doesnt hit like a freight train like a 35R does when you're foot is flat to the floor - but its more sedate and predictable in delivery. Its actually got its own place bewteen the GT3076R and GT35R, albeit a bit 'no-thrills' when compared to the selling points of the turbos on either side of it on the scale, but its certainly not disappointing at all B) . It comes down to what people want in a turbo and where they want to make the power. Nowadays, after seeing what sort of responsiveness and power you can get out of a GT3076R from a 2 litre/2.3 stroker, it'll be my next choice of turbo (although Ive only done about 3,000 'fun' kms in my GT3040 anyway :lol: )

 

[EVOCPE]

Nice. When are you getting over 20psi? 3 examples i've heard of so far its been around 4500, you'd expect 3800-4000.

I have 260/260 cams and only running 15/16psi, reaches full boost at around 4000rpm
Here is my dyno sheet

 

[Smutt]

Go a T3/T04E 50 Trim - Super50 on your 2.3ltr
This will give you up to 470HP with 23psi to 7400rpm and the best thing about this turbo is 23psi is reached at a low 2600rpm.
Thats right you can have 23psi from 2600-7400... This turbo has the "widest" map I have ever encountered...
psst... the secrets out now!
What Lag!!?????

Check it out on

squirrel performance

http://www.squirrelpf.com/turbocalc/