Coilovers

[Hypo]

I did a search but couldn't find what I was looking for.

I want DMS suspension but I don't want to spend that kind of money so i am looking for something else.

The car is to be used mostly on the track so the road ride doesn't really bother me.

I have had several suggestions from retailers including

JIC
Teins
Rebuilding factory shocks to coilover and revalving
Rebuilding the Ohlins which are in the vehicle.

In the end the costs all end up roughly the same.

Opinons advice on which way I should go.

Thanks

 

[Dean]

Theres quite a few brands, it really depends on how serious you wanna get, and what sort of cash you wanna spend.
theres d2, g4 etc, which is the el cheapo stuff which i wouldnt want to go near.
then theres mid range, hot bits, teins etc.
the you've got your higher range dms, ohlins etc, which is basically expensive, but you get what you pay for.
judging on what you want, i think the tein's would probably be the best option for ya
they're known for quality, and they aren't too expensive for what you get imo.

 

[JAP63]

Ive heard horror stories on the G4/D2 stuff...
But then again, i wasnt there, dont know what application and setup was being run and who and how htey were installed.

I think theyve copped a heap of bad reps when they probably arent all that bad, they are cheap, and they are not going to ofefr the accuracy of some of the upmarket stuff.
However, it has been proven that some of the stuff made by cheaper companies also make Apexi and other leading brands.

So i give up on what is what nowadays

I know that if i were to track or hillclimb my car i probably wouldnt be going G4/D2...but if i simply wanted to deck it i would.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?p=17988752

Go here, and see the discussion below
Gets interesting...


Quote:
Originally Posted by rEDlinEDc5
they look like the function and forms to me

technically, im not suppose to share this but...

Quote:
Dear D2 racing,

does your company supply coilovers to Function and Form Autolife?

http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/


Picture of F2 coilovers

thanks,
-Allen
Quote:
Hello Allen,

Thanks for your kind inquiry.

Sorry, I will not answer you about your question.

Best regards,
Amy
For the above e-mail discussion between D2 racing and I, make what you think of it.

while i had a discussion with Function & Form about the origin of their coilovers, they have rest assured me that their upcoming revised type I and type II coilover editions are not made by them.

a little more info about their upcoming type II coilovers, i was informed that they torture tested their new type II's in one of their G35's. the coilovers were put on the lowest height setting, stiffest damper level and was driven on a 3 hours road trip from SoCal to las vegas. they were going 65+mph, and in one particular moment, encounter a stretch of very rough and bumpy road that would have surely destroy any badly built coilovers. the coilovers survived without so much of a single hitch, pop, blow out, deformities, bottoming out, and oil leaks for the entire trip to SEMA that night. the new type II's are still in an ongoing trial, and some sponsored bmw's are currently or starting to test these babies as well.

function and form did mention that despite their original coilovers being considered great, they admit they weren't entirely happy and satisfied about them. the type I's kept blowing shocks and leaking oil, and the move was made onto making the type II. while the type II was a killer in many respects and many times better than the type I, they still felt the type II was far from what they wanted to offer as an all-around coilover. in other words, F2 autolife ceased the type II productions because in their opinion, they were not "good" enough even though those who have bought them can attest to their awesomeness.

 

[olly]

what do you plan to do with your car? just street? track? drag?

imo I would find it a waste of money to fork out alot of money for awesome coilovers such as ohlins/dms if all the car is going to see is the street.

you should rebuild the ohlins i rekon, they seem to be a great coilover from the sounds of it.

 

[Missile]

the only advantage that a coilover has (over a strut spring combo) is that it is height adjustable... you can get yourself adecent strut/sring combo for the price of the entry level coilover... if you dont think that you want to risk having 'dodgy' coilover, and dont want to rebuild, then maybe look down this path...

and if you shop well enough you may actually have enough left over for some camber tops

 

[Hypo]

what do you plan to do with your car? just street? track? drag?

imo I would find it a waste of money to fork out alot of money for awesome coilovers such as ohlins/dms if all the car is going to see is the street.

you should rebuild the ohlins i rekon, they seem to be a great coilover from the sounds of it.

Mostly track. I have bought the seats, cage etc for once it gets back from the paint shop.

 

[80ozt]

What have you got now luke?

 

[Liberoz]

Bite the bullet and Go DMS as your car will be strickly for the track you will kick yourself going the street type brands for a track set up and will probably down the track then try and sell them at a loss and buy what you needed in the first place.

Just ask any track head this same question and I'm sure you'll get the same answer! "Just buy the DMS and be done with it, the first time around".

 

[DOUGMO]

have you had any quotes on the dms yet?

they are not actually as much as you might think.yes they are more then d2s and the like but the difference is worth it.

if it is too big a step up in price i would look at getting you ohlins redone and revalved to suit track work.

the other advantage of coilovers(adjustable platforms)is that you can also corner weight the car correctly which will also help the handling heaps.

 

[Hypo]

have you had any quotes on the dms yet?

they are not actually as much as you might think.yes they are more then d2s and the like but the difference is worth it.

if it is too big a step up in price i would look at getting you ohlins redone and revalved to suit track work.

the other advantage of coilovers(adjustable platforms)is that you can also corner weight the car correctly which will also help the handling heaps.

How much did you pay for your DMS?

Did you get 40mm or 50mm?

PM if you don't want to say on here

 

[DOUGMO]

i have 50mm mate...pm sent

edit:just to add mate i acually bought tein ss before the dms and ended up saving up the difference
and selling off the teins and buying the dms which i should have done in the first place so that i didnt loose out on the teins

anyway,thats what i did

 

[Liberoz]

There's some personal proof in George's personal situation, bite the bullet if it was for a street / track car sure the tein's would suffice but for a dedicated track car DMS or equivalent would be your start and finish point

 

[rob323]

If you have Ohlins with the larger diameter, inverted shafts, then send them to MCA and have Mr Coote work his magic on them. Or you can get the cheap MCA shocks for about $4000. Or get Quadrant or someone to build some 40mm Bilstein coilovers valved specifically for your needs. Heaps of options, all far better than Tein etc.

 

[evopwr]

if the ohlins are pretty rooted, its not worth rebuilding them as no one in AUS wants to touch them, and if they do they will charge the equivalent of a new set of coilovers

 

[rob323]

Shoot JetGSR a pm and ask him who he got to rebuild his Ohlins.

 

[MatS]

We were trying to get a set of Ohlins rebuilt not that long ago (3months or so) and nobody would touch them. Ohlins told us that we had to get in contact with Ohlins Japan for information regarding rebuild, Ohlins japan told us it wasn't there area...


So if anyone knows someone that will rebuild them for a reasonable price that would be awesome


Ended up getting a set of Cusco Zero2-R's as a replacement (street driven track car)

 

[JETGSR]

Dude just had my Jap spec Ohlins rebuilt (non coil over)
They would be 200% better than before and they wern't stuffed!

I had Edgar at Extreme Motorsport rebuild them, 2 new coils on rear 260pd left the front Ohlin coils as is, All new valving, bumpstops fitted internally to the front struts, and dynoed up ! $1050 and they would be better than a new set of Teins @ 1850 just not height adjustable,

They are firm as I can now feel the extra harshness in the kidneys but not to the point where it is uncomfortable.

Seriously rebuild the Ohlins and if your not happy or you out grow them, sell them! and purchase a set of Drummonds or the like for 4k up

good stuff is well over 1 k a corner and thats just for the leg no coils or tops with that! -- ask Rob323 he will tell you!

anyway thats my opinion! If you want a feel of them let me know and I'll take you for a drive!

JetGSR

 

[LAN-EVO3]

anyone one here using JIC FLAT magic?
theyre a 50mm shock and pretty much have the same features as a cusco zero2r minus beeing inverted.
im tossing up between the top of the line JIC and cusco zero2r.

i wont be using my car as a dedicated track car but i would like to attend a few track days every now and then.

 

[rob323]

What sort of $$ is the JIC stuff you mention?

 

[Hypo]

What sort of $$ is the JIC stuff you mention?

I got quoted 2k from Accurate Suspension in Brisbane.

Said they were the best of the rest if I didn't want to pay for DMS.

I have organised for Murray Coote to look at my shocks next week.