Exhaust Defect

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Lemsta2

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Hi

Anyone know the max decibel level for an exhaust?
I got pulled over on the weekend and the policeman said if I had a 'noise certificate' for my non-standard exhaust. After 30 mins of looking inside and outside of my car he said theres 3 things defective on my car: front right tyre nearly at the wear mark, exhaust and steering wheel is not stock - so therefore defective.

He let me go after but didn't issue me with anything on-the-spot. Does that mean he'll be sending the fines through the mail?

Of course I'll fix the tyre issue (was going to do that soon anyway) but I spoke to an EPA approved mechanic and he said he can't do a test unless I have an EPA defect letter.

Any of you guys got any experience dealing with exhaust issues?

Btw, my exhaust is a canon one, the one from Meek http://meek.com.au/index.php?_a=product&product_id=367

Any advise/help would be greatly appreciated

:)
 
When I had to do a sound EPA here in VIC (mind you this was close to 3 years ago now) I had a real hard time passing the noise limit. I ended up getting an OEM CC GLXI pea shooter muffler from the wreckers and welding on a flange to suit the exhaust. Looks hilarious, sounds even funnier and performs twice as bad as both but passed with noise test with flying colours!

FYI 99.99% aftermarket mufflers will not pass EPA.
 
More so the noise than anything else is the problem with aftermarket exhausts.
If the copper didnt give you anything on the spot...then you were one of the lucky ones over the weekend as I have read lots of stories about people getting done. Lucky you.
 
...It could come in the mail...
:unsure:

Btw it wasn't a Highway Patrol, it was just a random paddy wagon copper that pulled me over. He saw me, then he did a u turn and followed me for a bit then pulled me over.
 
Cockhead. We had a meet on Friday night down here and within 10 mins we had AT LEAST 7 different Police cars in the carpark..4 of which were Hwy Patrol....
We left after an hour or so after being questioned of our intentions which we didnt tell them, only to have one of them follow us later in the night for around 45 mins...it was like we had a Police escort all night.
 
I wouldn't be too concerned if he gave you nothing on the spot...they usually radio for a HWP car to come like they did to us on Friday night.
We all found it extremely amusing that basically every HWP car in Wollongong showed up, as we had done nothing wrong.
 
I got pulled over at the Central Coast, I was there for the weekend. Funny thing is I've been stopped at so many RBTs, random pullovers and the occasional speeding ticket in Sydney and they never give me grief about my car. Sydney coppers must just be use to so many modified cars and cbf with writing them all up for defects, lol.
 
Thats not what happened on the weekend in Sydney...I can tell you that!!
It was defect city over the weekend.
They used an RBT blitz as an excuse to anal rape people.
 
The noise limit is 90dba some muffler shops should be able to measure for you or grab a proper db meter from jaycar and set it up 1m behind your exhaust outlet and offset by 45' rev to 3.5-4k rpm and take the reading
 
I was told paddy wagon po po cannot defect you, only hwy patrol

Also he cant give you a defect coz ur your tyre is "nearly" on the wear mark, if its "nearly" on the wear mark then its still good
 
That was my understanding too.
But I'll still be changing the tyres anyways, still above the wear mark but almost there.
 
What Mikey said above. 'Nearly' worn doesn't mean worn therefore its non defectable.
The EPA's 90db stationery exhaust noise limit is a joke. I reckon 9/10 performance cars built after 1983 would fail this unrealistic expectation imposed on us.
Something I would like questioned by the newly formed AMEP political party, is the bias toward newer cars having an allowance of +5db over their prescribed exhaust noise limit, when older cars do not.
If we can get 90db+5db to cater for wear and tear on our exhaust systems then it would allow some extra lee-way to 95db.

As you know Varex mufflers are classified as temporary noise control devices and are subject to clause 18 in the Protection of the Environ Operations (Noise Control) Regulation 2008.
It was the high and mighty politicians who brought clause 18 in back in 2008 and we can thank all the doof-doof dickheads around Brighton-Le-Sands in Sydney for creating a public nuisance and having that law imposed on us.
The EPA uphold the ADR and this means that any non standard exhaust system is theoretically illegal and must be tested. The police have the power to refer you to have a noise test at an EPA testing facility to prove compliance if they are unsure, or they have the authority to issue on the spot fines if they deem that your exhaust is clearly making in excess of 90db and running a non standard exhaust system [subject to police officer's personal opinion = dangerous].
The only way to change the dba level and the way it is upheld by the EPA and Police is to have the ADR amended in parliament.
Support the Australian Motor Enthusiast Party (AMEP) and we will all benefit by working with the govt agencies to create a fairer and realistic level that's 'workable', because clearly 90db is not!.

Here's the current stance on the exhaust noise level and ADR Regulation:

Prescribed noise levels for exhaust noise
Exhaust noise from vehicles should not exceed the prescribed noise levels referred to in clause 4 of the Regulation. The levels depend on whether the vehicle is certified to Australian Design Rule (ADR) 83/00 (which came into force progressively from 2005), or to earlier ADRs.
For vehicles certified prior to ADR 83/00, Schedule 1 of the Regulation specifies the prescribed noise levels. For cars built before January 1983, the maximum noise level is 96 decibels and for newer cars the level is 90 decibels. For motorcycles built on or after 1 March 1984, and designed or manufactured for use on a road, the level is 94 decibels. The noise level for other motorcycles is 100 decibels.
For vehicles certified to ADR 83/00 and with compliance plate dates of 1 September 2011 or earlier, the prescribed noise level is the higher of either the level in Schedule 1 or the ADR 83/00 signature level plus 5 decibels. For vehicles with compliance plate dates after 1 September 2011, the prescribed noise level is the ADR 83/00 signature level plus 5 decibels.
ADR83/00 signature noise levels can be found on the federal Department of Infrastructure and Transport's website at www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/noise.aspx .
When the prescribed noise limits are exceeded, EPA authorised officers can issue penalty notices for offences. There is a tiered scale for fines - the louder the exhaust noise from vehicles, the greater the penalty (see Table 1).
You can ensure that the exhaust noise from your vehicle is acceptable by regularly maintaining your exhaust equipment (i.e. mufflers) and avoiding fitting non-standard components that cause increased exhaust noise.
Defective noise control equipment
Vehicle owners and operators should ensure that their vehicles are not fitted with defective 'noise control equipment' (Clause 18 of the Regulation). Noise control equipment covers both exhaust systems and engine components. Defective equipment is defined as equipment that:

  • allows gas to escape from a place other than the intended exhaust outlet

  • allows the emission of more noise than the original noise control equipment fitted by the vehicle manufacturer and, if the equipment is part of the exhaust system, an authorised officer reasonably believes its noise level is above the prescribed level, or

  • has been modified in a way that an authorised officer reasonably believes makes it less effective than it would have been if it hadn't been modified, and, if the equipment is part of the exhaust system, an authorised officer reasonably believes its noise level is above the prescribed level.
Clause 18 of the Regulation also makes it an offence if a vehicle's noise control equipment is not securely in place or is removed and not replaced. This means exhaust system components (such as mufflers and baffles) and other noise control equipment fitted to the engine must be properly fixed in place and not be missing.
 
it also impleis that any noise above that which is standard automatically deems the exhaust defective. i'm glad my car is engineered in qld because as far as our engineering reg go my exhaust is std
 

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