Nitrous?

[evo201]

The original poster has his answer now

well he has A answer not necessarily HIS answer
at least the thread start lives close enough to the fast and furious nation he should be able to find someone over there to speak to about NAWS to make his own call, now he has both sides of the case to look at

 

[brisvr4]

I just hope that they fully explain the perils of nitrous backfires to him.
Nasty things those...

 

[JAP63]

so are you saying that the fuel consumption on a standard set up with the bottle added will use more fuel then the turbo/cams/ecu option? you are kidding your self there mate
you might be able to make the motor run more efficiently with the aftermarket ecu by leaning out the AFR's
but the reason that the factory tunes them rich is to add a saftey margin.
now this part might confuse some but being more efficient with the new turbo/ecu/cams set up doesnt mean that it will get better fuel consumption then standard.

Al Dre meant was that theres alot of clening up that can be done with the stock maps, and hence theres alot of efficiency to be had if you go down this track...
This debate it seems has turned into a personal battle to proves one is right and the other is wrong, i find it hard to beleive Troy that you havent agrred with any of the points all the other people have made...

As far as this goes...

nope that is one thing you have very wrong there. its not about efficiency its about marketing, warranty, best over all compromise and reliability. hence the reason that mitsubishi didnt fit a t67-25g to there car and make massive power they fitted the td0516g for the best compromise

Do you honestly think mitsubishi built a race car and thought how can we "market this car? for christ sake, they sold themselves qwiker than hotcakes! its got nothing to do with that or warranty's .
Lets stop for a second and think...the Evo was a Rally car. What bloody good would the Mitsubishi Rally team have done from a t67-25g on their car when trying to pull tight rally stages, probably none...(hence the reason the E3 got higher compression, they needed early torque)

and

the members here claim that "people around these parts make pretty informed posts " but how can they be informed posts if they have no experiance with it

This is my statement, and its dead true. I know i can get on here with a question and within 5 minutes, someone has the answer..99% of the time its right, and more often that not its someone saying yeah ive done that or yes i have tried that.. hell, ive even had people offer to go and look at cars for me im interested in buying, cos the car is interstate, thats the extent of this community. Respect to this degree usually takes common rapport among each other, and it doesnt develop usually when someone wont swallow their own cookies and realise the person on the other side of the table does hold a few good points..

Plenty of us know the extent of what NOS is capable of doing, you dont have to light your house on fire to know its gonna burn do you (ps-no pun to recent bushfire victims, my heart is with them).Most ppl here have played with it, or know someone who has...You bring much info about NOS Troy, and its all through experience, im sure anyone reading this will likely contact you with any Q's they have if theyre after some answers, and the process of informing and sharing knowledge will continue to occurr, and ofcourse another member will be better off for it.

 

[JAP63]

with out the gas it ran 13.7 @100mph running 14psi using a bleed valve

What turbo was this on?

 

[bazeng]

Sorry, not meant to be disrespectful, but I had to post this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmKr8slxmk

 

[CLuTZ]

what i am getting at is you have stated that nos is a terrible idea yet when someone with real experiance in using it you try to just dismiss it rather then looking at other options.

I'd like to see where I wrote that nos was a terrible idea?? I'm, starting to think that you're making up stuff inside your head. Either that or you can't read.

I am not jumping up and down like a little kid although i can understand how it is you could jump to that assumption when someone on a forum doesnt agree with you 100%

People agreee to disagree- thats what generate great discussions. Its when people who obviously can't read need waking up- thats when there's issues!

nope that is one thing you have very wrong there. its not about efficiency its about marketing, warranty, best over all compromise and reliability. hence the reason that mitsubishi didnt fit a t67-25g to there car and make massive power they fitted the td0516g for the best compromise

Marketing? Are you for real? Do you even know what i'm talking about?

no i really can and have but that is what the thread was started for, someone asking about "who has used nos on a early evo"

No, you really don't know what i'm talking about do you.

so are you saying that the fuel consumption on a standard set up with the bottle added will use more fuel then the turbo/cams/ecu option? you are kidding your self there mate
you might be able to make the motor run more efficiently with the aftermarket ecu by leaning out the AFR's
but the reason that the factory tunes them rich is to add a saftey margin.

Once again- do you know how to read? You're making up shit inside of your head pal. Re-read what I wrote, and ask yourself the question: How the hell did I get this:

you saying that the fuel consumption on a standard set up with the bottle added will use more fuel then the turbo/cams/ecu option?

from

Fuel consumption on a properly tuned aftermarket ECU actually gets better than a stock ECU

now this part might confuse some but being more efficient with the new turbo/ecu/cams set up doesnt mean that it will get better fuel consumption then standard. it just means that it used the fuel more efficiently for power production.
that is where the difference between efficency and consumption comes into play but that is a whole other can of worms that will confuse most.

I think you're the one who is confused.

standard turbo set up
standard dump pipe
with a cat back exhaust and walbro fuel pump fitted
car also had the clutch upgrade done
in full street trim and only running a 35hp shot the car ran a 12.6 @ 110mph with out the gas it ran 13.7 @100mph running 14psi using a bleed valve

Have you got dyno sheets? Time slips? What 60ft did you run? You would be making around 190kw to make a mid 12- not bad for a catback, 14psi and a 35 shot? You sure it wasnt a 50 shot?

so before everyone jumps up and down like "little kids" saying that i dont know what i am talking about

Once again, show me one person who says you don't know what you're talking about? You're tripping man. Just like how you thought your car was a CD9A EVO 3

This debate it seems has turned into a personal battle to proves one is right and the other is wrong, i find it hard to beleive Troy that you havent agrred with any of the points all the other people have made...

There's more to it than this thread- alot more. Drop me a pm if you wanna know.

 

[YellowEvo1]

WOW this topic seems to be really heat'd, I'm gonna go after the power that I want the good old fashioned way.This heated debate has really shown me that there is more to NOS than I realized. If any one wants to suggest what parts to get and in maybe some sort of order to get my 300+ hp that would be great. Again thanks for all the replys, I'm not saying no to NOS because I'm sared to blow motors ect ect. I just dont know enough about it or does anybody around her to properly have it set up and work 100% so that it is a safe system to use. You can blow motors lots of ways and NOS is one way. I don't want to blow a motor because of a lack of experience and experienced help not because of any ones negative thoughs or feelings toward the spray. So please lets keep this topic a discussion and not a battle of sides. Thanks.

 

[OFFON-4]

WOW this topic seems to be really heat'd, I'm gonna go after the power that I want the good old fashioned way.This heated debate has really shown me that there is more to NOS than I realized. If any one wants to suggest what parts to get and in maybe some sort of order to get my 300+ hp that would be great. Again thanks for all the replys, I'm not saying no to NOS because I'm sared to blow motors ect ect. I just dont know enough about it or does anybody around her to properly have it set up and work 100% so that it is a safe system to use. You can blow motors lots of ways and NOS is one way. I don't want to blow a motor because of a lack of experience and experienced help not because of any ones negative thoughs or feelings toward the spray. So please lets keep this topic a discussion and not a battle of sides. Thanks.

hahaha good choice

Ive got NOS, no idea about it but lucky i have a good mechanic on my side

Happy thrashing

 

[Dean]

YellowEvo1,
stop watching Fast and the Furious, and forget about the Nos

 

[JAP63]

WOW this topic seems to be really heat'd, I'm gonna go after the power that I want the good old fashioned way.This heated debate has really shown me that there is more to NOS than I realized. If any one wants to suggest what parts to get and in maybe some sort of order to get my 300+ hp that would be great. Again thanks for all the replys, I'm not saying no to NOS because I'm sared to blow motors ect ect. I just dont know enough about it or does anybody around her to properly have it set up and work 100% so that it is a safe system to use. You can blow motors lots of ways and NOS is one way. I don't want to blow a motor because of a lack of experience and experienced help not because of any ones negative thoughs or feelings toward the spray. So please lets keep this topic a discussion and not a battle of sides. Thanks.

Do you have a small 16g at the moment? Perhaps bolt on the E3 16G and tune your car for around 20 pound, you should make over 200 Kw at the wheels with this setup when done properly, its been proven and its a good parthway...Thats well over 300Hp at the motor...It wont be hard at all to acheive.


#Good Pump and reg
#E III 16G
#ECU tune
#full exhaust and a bit of inlet work
#maybe some cooler piping.


Thats it, youd be there mate.

 

[JAP63]

Sorry, not meant to be disrespectful, but I had to post this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmKr8slxmk

I pissed myself Baz..

 

[YellowEvo1]

As far as I can tell i have the small 16g turbo, if I was to get the E3 Big16g is there anything I would need to do to my engine to properly handle the bigger turbo?

 

[JAP63]

As far as I can tell i have the small 16g turbo, if I was to get the E3 Big16g is there anything I would need to do to my engine to properly handle the bigger turbo?

Not really mate, just a good tune, its all in tune. You can put anything you like on that engine, within reason..and as long as the tune is done correctly it will be fine.

The E3 16G is a great turbo, id reccomend it....some may say a 20G, ive no experience with them though, so cant comment.

 

[GSRWRC]

As far as I can tell i have the small 16g turbo, if I was to get the E3 Big16g is there anything I would need to do to my engine to properly handle the bigger turbo?

Don't assume this until you pull the compressor cover off and measure it. You may be surprised. I've yet to come across a 'small' 16G and I have at least 3 Evo I turbos in bits scattered around the house.

 

[YellowEvo1]

if i put the turbo on and didnt change anything else could would I see any improvment? What would i have to tune to get the benifets? when i putt the compessor cover off what I kinda measurements am I looking for that would indicate it being an Evo3 turbo

 

[milkandoj]

you measure the diameter of the compressor wheel, copyed off gtpumps site.

[SIZE=-2]TD05 EVOIII big 16G wheel[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-2]Inducer = 48.3mm[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-2]Exducer = 68mm[/SIZE]


Exducer is the back of the wheel (with the flat backing) and the inducer is the font of the wheel that grabs the air first, what you will see when looking down the snout when you still have the cover on.
Your interested in the inducer.
As the exducer is the same (68mm) between small 16g's and evo3 big 16g's... and even a 20g wheel for that matter.

[SIZE=-2]

[/SIZE]

 

[MDK87]

Exducer on a S16G is 60mm.

 

[MDK87]

LOL! Hahaha, that's hilarious!

 

[milkandoj]

Exducer on a S16G is 60mm.

really?

I thought only 14bs had 60mm exducer. and all 16g's 18g, 20g had 68mm exducer.
If so my bad!!

 

[GSRWRC]

Concur.

"Small" 16G: 46mm Inducer, 60mm exducer
"Big" 16G: 48mm Inducer, 68mm exducer

The "Evo III" 16G is a slightly different compressor to the normal Big 16G found in Evo Is and IIs. Thinner blades, thinner central shaft and closer to 69mm on the exducer. ALL of these turbos have the same TD05H exhaust wheel. ALL have 7cmsq exhaust housings except they differ in composition. Evo I cast iron, Evo II/III high Ni cast steel (The perferred housing, less prone to cracking).

As I've mentioned, I've never seen a factory MHI "small 16G" and doubt any Evo left the factory with one. Especially after seeing the Homologation papers for the Evo I RS having been homolgated for rally with a 68mm compressor wheel.

This Evo I/II "Small 16G" myth frustrates me so, every time I see someone on the net say it I wish I could reach into my laptop and give them a slap at the other end.