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PAYPAL DRAMAS

Just an example of what has happened to me recently and what can go wrong with just a simple error to begin with. This is 100% true and a total fuk up. What could have gone wrong went wrong, so please learn from this experience :lol:

History:
* I have two accounts linked to PAYPAL
* One is my normal Bank Savings account that my salary goes into and I pay the home loan, bills, shopping etc from it.
* The other account is a Visa debit card account which is my normal PAYPAL funding source for car parts and EBay transactions.

  • I deposited $2700 cash into the Visa Debit card account ready for some shopping
  • Purchased 5 items on EBay totalling around $2000
  • Paid via PAYPAL without realising the drop down box was going to take the funds from my Savings Account, instead of the Visa debit account where I had money ready to go.
  • Found out 2 days later that my Savings account had 4 x dishonour fees at $17.50 each charged to it as one transaction went through and the others didn’t due to insufficient funds. I was charged with $70 in dishonour fees – My error, simple mistake, $70 charge is a bit steep but good lesson learned. My normal pay account was low because I was on holidays and spent a fair bit of my savings during time off work as you do.
  • According to PAYPAL’s policy, they then try to recover the funds from the nominated back up source, in which case is my Visa Debit card account that I had the $2700 in. So all I had to do was wait 48 hours til they processed it.
  • I called PAYPAL and was advised that it would be indeed the case and it should have been processed already.
  • 2 Days later PAYPAL still hadn’t taken funds from my VISA debit card so I logged onto PAYPAL and in large red bold font, a negative balance of approx $1300 with a link next to it advising ‘resolve your negative balance’.
  • Took the $2000 out of the Visa account in cash and deposited into the Savings Account in person at the bank so the money went in immediately.
  • Went back to PAYPAL website and clicked the ‘Resolve Negative Balance’ link. Went through the process and paid $1300 out of my Savings Account. All done and squared up (or so I thought).
  • I then purchased another item on Ebay worth $280AU through PAYPAL because I just got paid through work and there was plenty of money in the account for the purchase, Mrs paid the home loan, Telstra phone bill, some groceries, mobile phone and fueled a couple of the cars.
  • Next day I logged into my savings account and noticed that not only did the $1300 get taken out to resolve the negative balance, but PAYPAL re-ran the 4 x dishonoured amounts again totalling up around $1300 as well. In total, my Savings account was now debited $2600. I was lucky I got paid the day before and had enough $$ or I would have been charged dishonour fees for insufficient funds again! However, after paying some more bills etc the same day, doctors visit, I was only left with a balance coincidentally of exactly $280 in my bank account!!! (Should be $1580)
  • I logged onto PAYPAL that same morning and it was still approx $1300 in negative value in red bold font!!! Hmmm…. What’s going on?. Plus the payment I did the night before for $280 is still pending to be processed!! WTF??? I’ve only got $280 in my bank account left and $280 is about to come out – which is going to leave me with nothing!
  • I called PAYPAL immediately and asked what the hell are they doing? I thought I was doing the right thing by resolving my $1300 negative balance and paying them back, however they re-processed the original dishonoured amounts and taken a total of $2600 out overnight, meaning I’m out of pocket $1300, and only have $280 in my account with a $280 transaction pending!!. I cant even cancel the transaction because it’s already in process!! What a fuk up on their part!
  • Now this is where it gets really fukd up. Apparently the funds are in limbo at the moment. The bank has already taken it out of my account and PAYPAL have not received it yet!!! So now it looks like it will take 2-5 working days to go from my bank to PAYPAL, and then take another 2-5 working days to transfer the overpayment back to my savings account. Great! Im sure I wont miss $1300 for up to two fkn weeks in my account!! How about you?
  • In the meantime I have 3 kids, one a baby requiring nappies and formula, one going back to school so I need to buy clothes, school bag, stationery and shit, and obviously more fuel and shopping. What a fuk up.
  • I went off at PAYPAL for their stuff ups and said they shouldn’t have had ‘resolve your negative balance’ link if they were planning to re-run the dishonoured transaction amounts and take the money out again. They should have had something written that stated they would try again in a specific timeframe, but they didn’t. I should have also been advised that from the start when I called up. To prove a point, I just logged onto PAYPAL today and the ‘resolve your negative balance’ link is still sitting next to a large red bold negative Paypal account balance of near $1300!!
  • Moral of the story is to get a Visa Debit Card linked to your PAYPAL account ONLY. With a Debit card you DO NOT get charged a dishonour fee if you have insufficient funds. It simply wont go through. If you do have the funds in it, payments go through immediately. And if you ever get caught up in the same situation as I have, don’t even bother calling PAYPAL because the people you speak to are about as helpful as an ejector seat on a fkn helicopter. It’s all processed by computer and they cant do anything about it. Dont let PAYPAL have access to your main bank account, so setup a secondary one to be on the safe side
At the end of the day I’m out $70 in dishonour fees and left short in my bank account for up to 10 working days due to them taking double the amount out of my account than what they were supposed to, and they cant do a thing about it until it hits their books. After it hits their books I have to wait up to 5 working days to get $1300 back :fuuuuu:

PAYPAL has always been great for me the last 5 years or so Ive been using it making 100 plus transactions. I’ve never had a problem before. But when it does go pear shaped like above, boy, it can really get fukd up really quick. I’m only using my Visa Debit card as the ONLY account now to make purchases, that way there will be no problems in future, ever again! Pic of current PAYPAL photo belowshowing negative balance :thumbsdown:

Rob
 
I can sympathise with the above story. I've had a very similar thing happen (with around half the amounts above) and now only have a visa debit card linked to the account. It takes slightly longer to process payments but at least it doesn't cost me half a billion tears and some manhours on the phone to the idiots in india pretending to be from sydney.
 
I hear you Rob. I had big fuckups with them years ago, but unfortunately they are a necessary evil if you want to sell stuff on ebay.

They wanted me to scan and send through bank statements, drivers license bank cards, etc all for "Verification". No joke, I'm not sending all of my details to India!

Now I put money into the account using my credit card, but it's not linked to my savings account. Seems to work fairly well with minimal opportunity for them to screw things up.
 
If you really need the $1300 now, then I suppose that I would purchase that blue coupe from you for the above mentioned figure...
 
After hearing this story I'll never use more than one account.

The dishonour fees are a bit fucked up. To think all this happened because of a simple mistake when selecting which box. Makes you think twice about using ebay when tired or hungover!

My sympathies mate
 
Yeah it was bad enough with the $70 worth of dishonour fees but I got a double whammy when they double debited near $1300 unfortunately... bastards.

When all this shit gets cleared its back to a single Visa Debit Card for PAYPAL only for me. I dont ever want them touching my main bank account that my pay goes into ever again!!! Dont make the same mistake boys, because when you think about it, even internet hackers might be able to gain access to your main bank account if PAYPAL gets hacked. Best to use a secondary Visa Debit card etc to be on the safe side no matter what happens i.e. hacked, double debits, phantom transactions, dishonour fees etc :fuuuuu:

lol at Squiddy. If I was pissed I at least would have an excuse for making the first mistake, but I was 100% sober goddammit :lol:

Jase, good decision. I wouldnt ever scan my bank details, drivers licence, bank cards etc and send them to anybody on the internet. You cant trust anyone these days.

Missile/Timmy - Keep dreaming lol...
 
I've always used a secondary debit Visa account for paypal. I agree Rob - there's no way I'm linking my homeloan redraw and salary $$$ to anything.
 
Its a shit way to learn a lesson. I wish I were a bit smarter before it happened and unlinked my main savings account from it :(
Anyhow, Ive been checking PAYPAL a couple of times every day and they still havent received any monies of the approx $2600 taken from my account yet. I still have that big red negative value when I log in :blink:
 
I feel so freaken sorry for you rob $2600 is a fuk load of money to go missing, for little to no reasonalbe explaination....
 
LWNSLW said:
I feel so freaken sorry for you rob $2600 is a fuk load of money to go missing, for little to no reasonalbe explaination....


yep it is chase
i really hope it gets sorted rob as i feal bad that i asked you to get all the stuff and this shit happens
 
Bit of an update if you've been following this....
I sent an online complaint to PAYPAL last night and checked this morning to see that I still had a negative balance. At lunchtime today I received a response from Michael, an employee from PAYPAL who empathised and said that I didnt have to manually resolve the negative balance (even though it was written next to the negative value when logged in???). Anyhow, I logged into PAYPAL immediately afterwards to find that I finally have a positive balance in my PAYPAL account of a little over $1200AU. I lost a bit in the exchange rate but what can you do :thumbsdown: Now I have to wait 3-5 working days til its back in my daily use bank account again. When its back in my hot little hands Im removing that account from PAYPAL's records and sticking to the VISA DEBIT account only :)
 

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