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Super cheap auto had some fusions that sounded really really good.
It also depends on what amp u are running. Or if no amp what headunit. I have a 2004 pioneer which sounds heaps better than an $800 2009 pioneer.
But those fusions had a nice surprising sound if u are looking for something fairl low price
Super cheap auto had some fusions that sounded really really good.
It also depends on what amp u are running. Or if no amp what headunit. I have a 2004 pioneer which sounds heaps better than an $800 2009 pioneer.
But those fusions had a nice surprising sound if u are looking for something fairl low price
yeah im not running an amp and i got a kennwood head unit got it about 5 months ago .
and st the moment i have fusion in the front and back and then i got pinoeer 6 by 9s in the back to but i dont get enough bass out of them
Depends on what model u have. These fusions were new a few months ago. Lots better than other fusions I had heard in the past (which were crap)
Eitherway u won't get the sound out Of speakers that a sub could do. (small speakers can't make those frequencies)
A sub is pointless If ur speakers aren't amped coz it'll over power them.
But once speakers are amped the sub makes a huge difference. Tweeters are just as important as a sub aswell as it creates a larger range in frequencies. Which means u get a better overall sound and feel to the music.
The rest is in the fine tuning.
Just as a side note. Sound vibrates through the air. Lower frequencies don't travel far. Hence a bigger speaker is needed to create the db and still the sound prefers to move through solid objects via vibrations.
Eitherway u won't get the sound out Of speakers that a sub could do. (small speakers can't make those frequencies)
A sub is pointless If ur speakers aren't amped coz it'll over power them.
But once speakers are amped the sub makes a huge difference. Tweeters are just as important as a sub aswell as it creates a larger range in frequencies. Which means u get a better overall sound and feel to the music.
The rest is in the fine tuning.
Just as a side note. Sound vibrates through the air. Lower frequencies don't travel far. Hence a bigger speaker is needed to create the db and still the sound prefers to move through solid objects via vibrations.
Also best thing would be to go to jb hi fi and listen to different speakers. It's all personal preference
Just amp your system up.
4ch amp when installed and tuned correctly can make a major improvement.
Run your fronts and 6x9's off that and you'll see a fair improvement.
Unless you find a small enough monoblock amp just run your 6x9's off that untill they blow, then buy a sub and bigger amp.
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4ch amp when installed and tuned correctly can make a major improvement.
Run your fronts and 6x9's off that and you'll see a fair improvement.
Unless you find a small enough monoblock amp just run your 6x9's off that untill they blow, then buy a sub and bigger amp.
lolalright then cool
yeah i gonna get an amp soon but i still dont no much a bout the wattage on them ? is higher wattage better or ?
Don't really have time to write it all up. I'm a qualified audio engineer
Most listed wattage isn't true. A true 15W speaker in a guitar amp can blow u away.
Get an amp with decent rms. And speakers that'll match the power. Give the amp a bit of juice between half and 3/4. Tune ur filters a little and u should have a nice clean un distorted sound.
More expensive amps have better electrics (generally) and create a crisper sound. Look at older valve amps. Take a while to warm up. But they sound amazing. But very large.
I had kicker amps running alpine type r. Sounded good. Put some jaycar amps in. Sounded really really clean both top and bottom increased nicely. They are cheaper. But use better quality electrics.
Most listed wattage isn't true. A true 15W speaker in a guitar amp can blow u away.
Get an amp with decent rms. And speakers that'll match the power. Give the amp a bit of juice between half and 3/4. Tune ur filters a little and u should have a nice clean un distorted sound.
More expensive amps have better electrics (generally) and create a crisper sound. Look at older valve amps. Take a while to warm up. But they sound amazing. But very large.
I had kicker amps running alpine type r. Sounded good. Put some jaycar amps in. Sounded really really clean both top and bottom increased nicely. They are cheaper. But use better quality electrics.
iluszn
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Go to supercheap and buy the fusion powered bass tube (10" to save space).
This will come with everything you need (Cables/etc/etc/etc)
Your head unit should have (Most do now) a Sub RCA Out put, if not, use the Rear outputs.
If you do have a sub out on the head unit, you may be able to set your speakers to high pass filter of (generally 80/120hz). This will minimize the amount of bass going to your 4 speakers.
Setup your sub and set the cross over frequency to just above 80/120hz depending on what you set your speakers to. (If you cant set your speakers, no big deal).
There is no substitute for a sub in your system, A sub serves a purpose, low end frequency.
If you dont want to spend alot of money, the above is a good bang for buck alternative.
If you have the money to spend, Buy a Decent 4 channel amp, replace your speakers with good quality speakers (You pay for what you get).
But it will all come down to your budget and how concerned you are with music quality in your car.
This will come with everything you need (Cables/etc/etc/etc)
Your head unit should have (Most do now) a Sub RCA Out put, if not, use the Rear outputs.
If you do have a sub out on the head unit, you may be able to set your speakers to high pass filter of (generally 80/120hz). This will minimize the amount of bass going to your 4 speakers.
Setup your sub and set the cross over frequency to just above 80/120hz depending on what you set your speakers to. (If you cant set your speakers, no big deal).
There is no substitute for a sub in your system, A sub serves a purpose, low end frequency.
If you dont want to spend alot of money, the above is a good bang for buck alternative.
If you have the money to spend, Buy a Decent 4 channel amp, replace your speakers with good quality speakers (You pay for what you get).
But it will all come down to your budget and how concerned you are with music quality in your car.
Go tO jb hi fi or super cheap and and get an amp wiring kit. Either 2 or 4 channel depending on the amp
It should have thick power cable (battery to amp)
Fuse
Remote power line which runs from head unit to amp
RCA leads from head unit to amp
Ground cable
Speaker cable (amp to speakers)
It should have thick power cable (battery to amp)
Fuse
Remote power line which runs from head unit to amp
RCA leads from head unit to amp
Ground cable
Speaker cable (amp to speakers)
lefty
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Ah crap, this reminds me, I need to fix my sound system.
Gay alternator hiss/noise coming through the system when turned on, nfi why or how to fix though. Sometimes its only there for 30 seconds at the start, sometimes not, really annoying.
Secondly, not happy with sub/bass, think Amp is playing up/old/dying in the arse. Use to sound good with my old old Sony headunit, not so much with the Panasonic, but I think its the amp. I turned the gain control and nothing was happening, put it to .2, nothing, then decided to work again after 20 seconds...
Thirdly, antenna still goes up/down in strength, not clear enough (u can see the stereo writing flicker on/off), like its not grounded or something. Changed the mask but yea didn't fix jack :S
Thinking it might all be due to the amp, however might just take it to a car audio joint, been annoying me for ages, just need to wait till I can drive again, gg knee reco
Gay alternator hiss/noise coming through the system when turned on, nfi why or how to fix though. Sometimes its only there for 30 seconds at the start, sometimes not, really annoying.
Secondly, not happy with sub/bass, think Amp is playing up/old/dying in the arse. Use to sound good with my old old Sony headunit, not so much with the Panasonic, but I think its the amp. I turned the gain control and nothing was happening, put it to .2, nothing, then decided to work again after 20 seconds...
Thirdly, antenna still goes up/down in strength, not clear enough (u can see the stereo writing flicker on/off), like its not grounded or something. Changed the mask but yea didn't fix jack :S
Thinking it might all be due to the amp, however might just take it to a car audio joint, been annoying me for ages, just need to wait till I can drive again, gg knee reco
1. Check RCA leads. Try a new one. Make sure everythin is grounded properly. U can but a condesor on the sltinatorntoo to cancel the noise
2. My old pioneer sounded heaps better than my new one. Spec with the bottom end. Try put old one back in. I highly doubt it's the amp. Most likely ur tuning. or quality of ur headunit
3.not sure about antena. I don't use the radio unscrew it on ur roof and inspect. Look at back of your headunit and make sure you are uSing the right connector. There are a few different ones between brands
2. My old pioneer sounded heaps better than my new one. Spec with the bottom end. Try put old one back in. I highly doubt it's the amp. Most likely ur tuning.
or quality of ur headunit3.not sure about antena. I don't use the radio
unscrew it on ur roof and inspect. Look at back of your headunit and make sure you are uSing the right connector. There are a few different ones between brands 
khubner1
Moderator
the noise is a ground loop it's quite possible your internal rca fuses are blown or the head/amp not earthed right
lefty
Well-Known Member
Where would this be?
Gianni it is grounded to the chassis but I'll check again.
Pretty sure RCA leads are ok, their only sending the sine wave/signal to the amp...
The amp is also grounded to the chassis, never touched it, but it could probably be done better.
khubner1
Moderator
the rca fuses are inside the head unit itself and arn't easily accessed. if it is only a ground loop a ground loop isolator MAY ( and i stress may) help.
the isolator is a little box that th rca's will plug into between the head deck and the amp.
the isolator is a little box that th rca's will plug into between the head deck and the amp.
lefty
Well-Known Member
Hrmmmm inside the HU ey... well I'll take the Head Unit out today again. Doubt its the unit, fairly new (panasonic), paid like $500 for it a few years ago :/
Don't really feel like spending more on a HU again... if thats the prob then ok, but I don't want trial and error
Prob should of got an alpine. Actually I just wanted my old Sony headunit (like high end 1995) to work but the EL backlight died, I had bought a new face for it, but it still wasnt working, I think the little black box that was connected to the HU was the power to the EL connector must of died instead. No one seemed to want to fix it.
I might add the noise/alternator hiss is really random, and only when the car engine is running, probably usually the first 1 to 60 seconds when you start the car, then disappears :S
I'll also check the ground wire, I know it isn't the best (wire where its crimped you can tell wires are broken) but still should have ground... I'll check with MM and re-crimp it anyway I guess.
As for the antenna, nfi, its the original wire etc, just got a new mask, still shitty. Its plugged in correctly.
I remember if you touched the antenna it would be "louder", so this has to be some sort of ground issue, probably is causing all my issues :S
Also amp is very old phoenix gold m50 (uses components, triple darlington transistors, I reckn the transistors are bit too old, hence when I turned the gain control, nothing was happening for a bit.
EDIT:
Checking the antenna with a MM, put it on ohms, touch inner pin of antenna lead and touch mask = nothing (no signal)
I touch the ground of the stereo chassis and the outter plug = working (ground)
Guess the antenna wire must be broken somewhere or something, unsure how that happens, but obviously not making connection with the antenna mask (slide it up/down already etc) :S
Looks like I'll buy the entire lead/antenna? But looks like a PITA job? :S
As for the ground crimp for the amp, screw is really tight, cant undo it, need maybe battery drill or something, then I could put a new spade and re-crimp it but yea, cant get the stupid screw out lol
cbf with all of it, bringing to car audio place when I can drive, dont wana break knee, only been 4 weeks and I'm undoing shit, on floor upside down etc
khubner1
Moderator
if your going to replace the antenna. i'd un screw it and only pull it up enough to expose the wire enought to tape the new one onto. (yes i meant tape not tap). cut it and tape the end of your new one to the old one. remove the old assembly and then feed/pull on the old wire from inside the cabin and feed the antenna assembly into it's hole. voila new antenna wire is run along the exact same path as the old one without pulling all the trim off!.
