WooHOOO!!! got the car running again! and then bang!!
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CLuTZ
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you can use my 3-puk for the tuning on thursday barry......
runuts
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JSTYLE said:
Sorry Jon, but I certainly dont agree with going to a twin plate clutch. There is no need whatsover at even 300kw@wheels. Biggest problem with a twin plate, is simply the weight of the things. You do realise that every time you engage the clutch, to change gears, that the entire assembly must slow down in order to go into gear. More weight, more problems shifting. Twins, usually make this much worse. Same with GTR's, there are many GTR's running into the 9's with single plates also. After changing from twins, back to a single and not having a problem at all. Its all about getting the correct clutch for the intended purchase, and i certainly dont believe a twin is suited. Talk to some of the clutch experts. Jim Berry for example. He will do you a clutch that will be perfect for 300kw@wheels, single plate, street friendly.
runuts said:
Im still tossing up as to what clutch to use next.
had a look at a mates tripple plate tiltons and 1/4 master clutches last week and there quite lite.. smaller diamiter also, but not to streetable with those disks in them. not sure how the tripple plate would go turned into a twin streetable disc instead?
main reason im wandering is i can get them pretty cheap
JSTYLE
I AM THEEE DYNO QUEEN!
runuts said:
When you join that 300 plus AWKW and the 10 sec class.. let me know how long your single plate holds.. im going to be interested... i doubt what so ever that a single plate will do the job for the long term. For afew months maybe but im very skeptical about it at.
If what your talking about is true then why are the the fastest 4 lancers in australia all running twin plates? 8 sec evo, 9 sec evo and 10 sec evo's ? Is it the fact that they are more reliable and less likely to break or the fact that the single plates just dont cut it..
Once again.. i put it to you.. get into the 300kw category and 10 sec class.. and let me know how it goes
Glenn: Tilton cluthes are reknowned in the car industry for one of the most harshes cluthes you can get on the market, they are very unforgiving and will not make a daily driver! They shutter like theres no tomorrow because ive heard the disk they use are built like that. For a drag clutch they are ment to be AWESOME... but a street clutch.. get something else.
Jon
runuts
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JSTYLE said:runuts said:
When you join that 300 plus AWKW and the 10 sec class.. let me know how long your single plate holds.. im going to be interested... i doubt what so ever that a single plate will do the job for the long term. For afew months maybe but im very skeptical about it at.
If what your talking about is true then why are the the fastest 4 lancers in australia all running twin plates? 8 sec evo, 9 sec evo and 10 sec evo's ? Is it the fact that they are more reliable and less likely to break or the fact that the single plates just dont cut it..
Once again.. i put it to you.. get into the 300kw category and 10 sec class.. and let me know how it goes
Glenn: Tilton cluthes are reknowned in the car industry for one of the most harshes cluthes you can get on the market, they are very unforgiving and will not make a daily driver! They shutter like theres no tomorrow because ive heard the disk they use are built like that. For a drag clutch they are ment to be AWESOME... but a street clutch.. get something else.
Jon
Actually, stuff it.. do what Jon says... I'm sure his wealth of experience with 10second 300kw awd mistubishi's is more than mine... NOT!
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A TWIN PLATE CLUTCH IN THIS SITUATION!!! believe what you like though.
One thing though, how high you planning on revving it...
Call Jim Berry... fix it once!!
(Oh yeah, btw Jon, since i am almost finished my SECOND(read done it before) 10 second Lancer... I'm sure you knew that though, I'll offer some real advice other than what you heard from somewhere)
JSTYLE
I AM THEEE DYNO QUEEN!
runuts: i wasnt having a go at you..
Im just telling it from my experience. Ive had a car that made 240AWKW on a single plate fine.. and my mate did 260kw on the same sort of custom clutch. But the fact that remains is im yet to see in Australia a car with a single plate.. that has run 10s with a lot of longativity in its life. Im talking like a 1 year or so life span!
Also Bazeng is planning on making more then 300AWKW.. if you see the turbo and the way the car is setup.. in theory if he got it all hooked up properly you might see around the 450AWKW mark.. especially with the size of that turbo..
Hence why i think he should go twin plate as the car is heavy.. about 1350Kg then add driver.. so around the 3200lb mark.. i seriously doubt a single plate is what is desired.
Just out of curiousity.. uve already had a 10 sec lancer ? if so im curious to find out more about it.
Jon
Im just telling it from my experience. Ive had a car that made 240AWKW on a single plate fine.. and my mate did 260kw on the same sort of custom clutch. But the fact that remains is im yet to see in Australia a car with a single plate.. that has run 10s with a lot of longativity in its life. Im talking like a 1 year or so life span!
Also Bazeng is planning on making more then 300AWKW.. if you see the turbo and the way the car is setup.. in theory if he got it all hooked up properly you might see around the 450AWKW mark.. especially with the size of that turbo..
Hence why i think he should go twin plate as the car is heavy.. about 1350Kg then add driver.. so around the 3200lb mark.. i seriously doubt a single plate is what is desired.
Just out of curiousity.. uve already had a 10 sec lancer ? if so im curious to find out more about it.
Jon
CLuTZ
Diamonds are forever....
JSTYLE said:
Still waiting to see the dyno printout!
If it matters, i'm going to be testing this theory- with a 300-350kw atw 1050kg 4WD CYBORG, with an exedy 3-puk button clutch.
Will be intresting to see how long it lasts. Will be aiming for a flat 11/ high ten.
dre
contract3
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CLuTZ said:JSTYLE said:
Still waiting to see the dyno printout!
If it matters, i'm going to be testing this theory- with a 300-350kw atw 1050kg 4WD CYBORG, with an exedy 3-puk button clutch.
Will be intresting to see how long it lasts. Will be aiming for a flat 11/ high ten.
dre
will u be stuffed if it breaks its arse end??..
CLuTZ
Diamonds are forever....
contract3 said:CLuTZ said:JSTYLE said:
Still waiting to see the dyno printout!
If it matters, i'm going to be testing this theory- with a 300-350kw atw 1050kg 4WD CYBORG, with an exedy 3-puk button clutch.
Will be intresting to see how long it lasts. Will be aiming for a flat 11/ high ten.
dre
will u be stuffed if it breaks its arse end??..
Arse end? as in diff?
Thats where Mr. Cusco mechanical LSd come into play
runuts
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JSTYLE said:
No Probs Jon.
I believe with 450kw@wheels, a single may be a stretch if you want something drivable, but then again so are most twin plates at that level. Up to 350kw@wheels, a single plate can easily hold. Have done it myself, and on about 8 other cars, including a WRX and a RS Liberty, all making over the 300kw@wheel mark. I dont see the weight being a great problem. US Eagle Talons way around 3200lbs ready to run, and they have no hassle running 10's on NOS with single plate clutches and approx 3000lbs clamping pressure. Like I mentioned in previous posts, the biggest issue with multi plate clutches are the weights. Yes in a race application, where drivability isnt an issue, you can get away with it. Mind you alot of the twin plates available, arent used often in a high rpm engine, but I have used a few and they are pretty well useless.
PM me for details on previous lancer GSR.
JSTYLE
I AM THEEE DYNO QUEEN!
CLuTZ said:JSTYLE said:
Still waiting to see the dyno printout!
If it matters, i'm going to be testing this theory- with a 300-350kw atw 1050kg 4WD CYBORG, with an exedy 3-puk button clutch.
Will be intresting to see how long it lasts. Will be aiming for a flat 11/ high ten.
dre
Had a print out.. but it got lost when i moved houses.. doesnt phase me if people believe me or not.. i know it made that much power ATW after it was run.. some almost 2 years ago.
Twin plates are driveable.. ive had a custom made twin plate.. and it drove fine.. was easy on the pedal and easy to select gears without the jerkyness of say a 3 puk..
Cars in america are running 10s with a single yes.. but you have to remember that their tracks over there are much much more prepared then our tracks.. at the end of the day i guess it comes down to cost and also owner opinion on what they should do.
If it was me i would go twin plate cos they cost what.. $1200-$1400 whereas a single is around 700-800$ mark.. so theres no difference in it at all.
Jon
BTW: the twin plate i had was the same as the APC lancers..
runuts
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JSTYLE said:CLuTZ said:JSTYLE said:
Still waiting to see the dyno printout!
If it matters, i'm going to be testing this theory- with a 300-350kw atw 1050kg 4WD CYBORG, with an exedy 3-puk button clutch.
Will be intresting to see how long it lasts. Will be aiming for a flat 11/ high ten.
dre
Had a print out.. but it got lost when i moved houses.. doesnt phase me if people believe me or not.. i know it made that much power ATW after it was run.. some almost 2 years ago.
Twin plates are driveable.. ive had a custom made twin plate.. and it drove fine.. was easy on the pedal and easy to select gears without the jerkyness of say a 3 puk..
Cars in america are running 10s with a single yes.. but you have to remember that their tracks over there are much much more prepared then our tracks.. at the end of the day i guess it comes down to cost and also owner opinion on what they should do.
If it was me i would go twin plate cos they cost what.. $1200-$1400 whereas a single is around 700-800$ mark.. so theres no difference in it at all.
Jon
BTW: the twin plate i had was the same as the APC lancers..
I think I may not of been clear about this when I said about the drivability of the twin plates. Yes they are drivable, but once you get one to hold large hp, sorry 240kw@wheels is far from twin plate territory, you will have issues. APC have used a few different twin plates over the years, and have had many issues with them.
Yes the US tracks are better, and hence due to their better surface prep offer alot more grip, and inturn put more load on the drivetrain. Dont you think that would show a clutch weakness alot easier than our poorly prepped tracks... I think so.
As I said before also, not tryin to argue here, but how high were you revving your car? Put that twin plate back in a car with an engine that will change gears at high rpm 8500rpm+ and see how well it changes.
I dont know what most twin plates are like? but the tripple plate 1/4 master i picked up was lighter than a std single plate. also smaller diamiter, and the flywheel it goes onto is damlight. no good as is for what i want but with the right plates in it y would it not work?
he also showed me a little tripple plate i thougth was our a motorbike or somthing. would not have been more than 150mm in diamiter. aparently out of a lemans car. no good for what we want.
he also showed me a little tripple plate i thougth was our a motorbike or somthing. would not have been more than 150mm in diamiter. aparently out of a lemans car. no good for what we want.
If ur aiming for 300 mark a sigle will hold that no probs, my mates pushes 313kw all 4rs with a single....Hold much longer will it last god knows...Anything byond the 320 mark u should consider a twin plate save u the hassell of doing it late
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