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I'm in the middle of rebuilding my vr4 block: evo 8 pistons, arp bolts all round, acl bearings and all other new vr4 parts check tested etc etc etc..

I have a E3 TD05 big 16g and want to do head work later cams porting etc

Whats a good upgrade for a non forged block as above on 18 or so psi for track/hill climb events?

I was recommended the garrett GT35/40R..

Sugestions?

Cheers
 
The GT35 is way too big for track or hillclimb events as it'll be too laggy in and out of slow-in fast-out corners. You want something with virtually no lag, punchy, but still offer plenty of useable low to midrange power where you would probably never even get out of 3rd gear (in hillclimbs or twisty circuits). If you're keeping a stock internal engine one of the best upgrades to do for circuit/hillclimbs is fitment of a 400-450hp GT28R or GT3071R turbo maximum! with external wastegate, and the use of HKS 264 cams. Many EVO circuit/race cars have been using this formula for a very long time. Any extra $$ you have to throw at it should then go to suspension & brake upgrades, and also weight reduction.
 
Oh nice cheers for the info will have a look when I get home from work :)

A friend sugested a TD05/6 hybrid? Cheap too
 
If money was no object on the head would you push the cams any bigger?

If yes/no whats your reasons for 264's other than being tried and true (money no object remember)

Just want to know what I can really get out of a non forged block with fully worked head :)

What do you think of the team4g link posted above selling a "FP3065"

Cheers 8)

Edit again:

Also what about more open circut racing as well as tight hill.

Thanks again haha "still learning and love it"
 
firstly I would be getting the best suspension set up you can afford and some good tyres before worrying about turbos,you will go faster on a standard turbo with real good suspension than average suspension with a bigger turbo
 
look into a Ball-bearing PTE 50-trim, I think the model number is 5031re or something like that.

I have a non-ball bearing version and it'd probably be only just a bit too laggy for hillclimbs. I run it on 18psi and I love it!
 
i reckon dre is right u should be aiming for as much torque as u can get not massive high up power that turbo should be more than enough get the sussy sorted
 
Ok apart from the rest of the car as that WILL be sorted.. I'm only after a turbo answer, the ones listed above are good but expensive. maybe building my TD05 into a TD05/6 hybrid will help withouth spending too much money.

Money aside, how would the FP3065 go?
 
u dont want lag even a hybrid will give u more lag the evo3 big 16 honestly will give you enuff get up an go till you get real good at climbs enter diff classes etc
 
By keeping it all stock, ie. engine, turbo and cams, what sort of advantage other than driving ability will you have over other compeditors in stock EVO's? I found that when I was doing amateur hillclimbing it demanded a lot of high rpm output from 2nd gear for most of the tracks, actually it cained the fark out of 2nd gear up and down and holding onto peak rpm for long periods of time without changing up a gear. It all depends on the hillclimb track but you'll find most of the time you'll be in high 2nd gear. If you can get a bit more rpm out of it with bigger cams and a more efficient turbo over stock it will give you a compeditive advantage over the other guys. That's just my opinion though, stock is still good... then maybe upgrade as you get better :wink:
 
if your suspension is sorted then a td05/6 hybrid will and can do the job,on my vr4 with standard internals it boosted just as quick as the standard td05 did,going slightly bigger in turbo wont increase lag,what it will do is increase your boost threshold further up the rev range so if you are prepared to drive at higher than normal revs you can get decent results,if you go too big you wont have enough rev range left to work with

a good rev range is vital in hill climbs as well as good low down torque,that can be compensated for with using higher revs but not if you end up with a small powerband,the last thing you want to be doing is constantly grabbing gears to keep it in a small powerband.spend enough money on decent suspension and a bigger turbo wont be needed,and when I say decent suspension I dont mean off the shelf coilovers

stick with a td05 get an after market computer and tune it well for bottom end response as well as throughout the entire rev range,the one thing that limits most track orientated cars is suspension,the mistake everyone makes is to throw more HP at the setup and then they wonder why they have gone slower,try visiting a specialist race car fabrication workshop for advice.your going backwards if you try to get power from a chassis that isnt setup to make use of it,the stock setup is already enough HP to find the limits of standard and lowered springs/coilover suspension so what happens when you throw even more HP at it.....your handling gets worse.
 
Your all saying different things haha

Also let me refraze the question..

If I had a rebuilt vr4 block arp bolts all round acl beaing and evo 8 pistons.. flowed head with 272's etc etc.. fully worked head

What would be a good turbo to have little if no lag on 18'ish psi

Forget I said anything about competing

So far I have:

FP3065
TD05/6

and asorted others
 
So with the motor I listed above there is no point going a little bigger to get the most out of everything? Not even a td05/6 hybrid?

Cheers for the info guys, don't think this is all falling on deaf ears :)
 
If money is no object.. try getting a td05hr from a later model evo in there, the 10.5cm housing is supposed to be a killer. I saw a thread on some random forum where a guy bought a tubular evo8 manifold, cut the flange off it and welded it on backwards, and put the evo8 turbo on his DSM (ie same as galant engine). Obviously the wastegate actuator/turbo outlet were in a stupid place and whatnot, but he reckoned it worked fine.

You'd also have something pretty unique... and the turbos themselves aren't hugely expensive, merely the custom fabrication work is, but if you can do it yourself... why not?
 
Majority rules big16g. Hmm, will have a chat to NZ's turbo guru Steve Murch and see what he thinks.

Cheers for the help guys, if you have anymore keep it coming :)
 

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