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[Gezza]

So i have put my deposit in this nice looking satria gsr turbo and have the option of having it engineered with the gsr engine and over pits with report...

Basically i pick it up early next week but i have the option of the dealer getting the car a engineers report for it and having it passed over the pits for an for an extra $1500 bucks do you guys reckon this is worth while it was a pro conversion done by cypher industies in perth in 2001 but i am just curious that if i get the $1500 knocked off it might come back to haunt me, but on the other hand i maynever geta yellow sticker and if i do it wil cost less than $1500 to put it all right??

What are your thoughts on this??

Cheers in advance Gerry.

[ted]

If its a legit engineers report id be making them do it, if there is something wrong with it they can do something about it while its still in there
possesion.

[ENGINR]

It looks like it's got the 2.0 litre 4G63T in it - that may raise some eyebrows if that body style has never been certified to carry that engine. It'd be a cake walk if it had the 4G93T in it.

[jack be nimble]

welcome gerry

my engineer for a wrx powered brumby was $400. you will prob need a emmisions test if the exhaust isnt standard, plus a cat converter if there isnt one there, a noise test for the cannon, a pillar guages have to go. catch can cant be vented to atmosphere. pretty easy to burn $1500 if you gotta pay someone else to do it.

as enginr says if its a 63 may have trouble.

a quick search found these mods to your car:


AWARDS WON

* Auto Salon - Perth - Most Powerful FWD 2003
* Auto Salon- Perth - Most Powerful FWD 2002
* Auto Salon - Perth - Most Powerful FWD 2001(2001, 2002, 2003)
* Did not compete in 2004 Auto Salon onwards due to owner having to relocate over East with his employment.

RUNNING GEAR

* 4G63, new high flowed TD05-16G turbo.
* GFB Stealth blow off valve
* Cypher custom intercooler
* Cypher anti surge fuel tank
* Malpassi fuel pressure regulator
* Bosch 910 high volume fuel pump
* Microtech LTX-8 ECU with hand controller
* Bosch ignition coils with ICE ignition booster
* 3" exhaust, high flow cat, 2 high flow resonators, nemesis blaze muffler
with 4" tip. Also a straight through cat replacement pipe for race fuel.
*Toda racing light weight flywheel
* Exedy ceramic clutch and pressure plate
* Kaaz 1.5 LSD
* Oil catch can
* Cold air induction
* Polished S/S plumbing and engine detailing
* Strut brace

BODY / SUSPENSION / WHEEL MODIFICATIONS

* Custom bonnet - duel vents and cam molding
* Crystal clear headlights
* Crystal clear taillights and side indicators
* 17" 7.5" shadow chrome rims with new tyres
* HWL coilovers
* Adjustable camber arm's
* Cross drilled and slotted front rotors with upgraded pads
* Brake master stopper
* Paint work as new

INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

* Apexi electronic boost and exhaust temp gauges
* Apexi turbo timer
* Apexi boost controller
* Pivot shift light
* Alpine CD player
* Alpine sound field processor
* Alpine amplifier
* MB quart splits
* JL audio 12" sub in sealed box
* Momo carbon fiber gear knob and hand break lever
* Boot mounted high power battery
* Checker plate floor mats

OTHER INFORMATION

* Work completed by Cypher Industries (call the mechanic Zack, 9331 8488)
* A/C, P/S, power windows and mirrors
* Has some spares such as VR4 gearbox, spare headlights and tail lights etc
* One owner since new

link to your car here: http://www.calaistur...ad.php?t=109284

looking at this mod list, and the fact it was most powerful FWD three years running, tells me it will have trouble with the emmisions test. i would let them engineer it, or run the risk of driving it without. no point bothering with full cover insurance though.

if you drive around friday and sat nights with the stereo cranked you will get pulled and stickered for sure.
if you drive to work and back and stay at home at weekends, you prob be ok.

nice ride though, awesome in fact. i love the bonnet too. let me come check it out in person once you got it sorted. sweet

Edited by jack of all, 23 March 2011 - 10:44 AM.

[Gezza]

Yeah thats it, yeah tbh i wont be crusinin around friday/saturday nights etc all i will do is go to work and back and shoppin and at the weekend!!

Now and again have the traffic light grand prix like most people...

After speaking with the seller today i have now got it $2k cheaper but without the approval papers but with the new engine number registered ie as a 2.0litre lump and 4g63...

[benozi]

Those gti turbo plates may attract some cop attention to if your cruising around , last thing you need is a yellow sticker on that car . you should look at some sprints and motorkhanas in perth rather than just shopping and work driving ,its alot of car not to be able to drive hard and use its full potential you will have more fun and no worries about cops chasing you.

[Gezza]

Yeah true....!!

[milkandoj]

Id take the plates off, put them in storage and put boring normal ones on if you want to not be bothered by the cops, as its catches the eye of a cop that bored or sees you come around a corner a bit quick.
If you want attention from other cars give it a rev or go out on car cruises, and lay low while your daily driving.

[Gezza]

Makes sense i suppose^^^

[BMGTZ]

I would have gone for the engineers option......you may not get insurance in the event of an accident.

[Gezza]

Yep gonna take the plates off then

Shannons will insure for $850 fully comp with all mods declared regardless of engineers report.

[BMGTZ]

Yep gonna take the plates off then

Shannons will insure for $850 fully comp with all mods declared regardless of engineers report.

compulsory third party insurance component ...not vehicle accident insurance

Edited by BMGTZ, 25 March 2011 - 01:33 AM.

[benozi]

that quote from shannons sounds alright , im with them and they seem good.

[VIN18M]

You will be able to pass engineering with the 4G63T in it, you might need to just put a stock muffler on and get it detuned a little to help with the emissions. It's probably worth while getting it done for peace of mind and just knowing you've done everything properly. I've got my turbo conversion fully engineered and insured, best thing I've ever done.

I've just gone through Shannons for my accident, and I can honestly say it was the worst experience I've ever had. I was treated like a criminal through the whole process and it ended up taking them 3 months to finally get my money to me. That was after unlawfully writing the car off, having to get the RTA to reverse the write off, then trying to claim excess when it wasn't my fault and the list goes on.

I'd try Justcar and see what they can do, Shannons will take you for a ride and I'd question the intellect of some of their employees.

[Gezza]

Intersting!! see i aint took the policy out with shannons yet due to my current policy running til june. although they have said the quote is good for 12months...

Have you a number for justcar??

Only thing i am worried about is the fuel swirl pot in the engien bay and the breather can and bov although the last 2 asre easy fixes its the fuel one that may not be oh and the coilovers give a fairly harsh ride....

[benozi]

thats not good to hear that about shannons but i rang just car and they were a joke , i was talking to a girl with no idea about cars as mine has a roll cage and rally computer etc it took ages just to get her to understand about my car and what it had, i rang shannons and the guy knew everything my car had no problem. i guess everyone has different bad and good experiences, justcar number is in the phone book

[Gezza]

Yeah i rang justcar before they quoted me over $1k!! and then they kept me on hold for 15 minutes

[Evo-00x]

I would have gone the engineer's report for $1500 provided its done legit and thoroughly.
You try organise an emissions test and report in WA (I hear its difficult and costly), exhaust noise test, brake test, hoist inspection and engineer inspection.
The ECU and turbo boost controller (Apexi AVCR) is a cop magnet where it sits. It allows the changing of the ECU & boost levels within driver reach and it effects emissions. ECU's are allowable under the ADR's provided the driver s locked out (password protected) from changing the settings and an emissons test and report have been carried out to prove it still complies to ADR 37/01 for that year model.
The oil catch can is venting into the atmosphere which contradicts ADR's and Emissions laws and an instant defect. The only place air goes in for a car should be the air filter and the only place it exits should be out the back of the muffler. All the in-between stuff has to be plumbed back into the system including Bovs, catch cans and wastegates.
The A-pillar gauges are also non compliant to the ADRs and defectable. A ball with 160mm diameter will hit them no problem (ball test signifies adult head impact in the event of accident)
A 'dealer' should not be selling a modified car like that to start with, its against the law for them to do it unless it is engineer certified with backup evidence.
If they were to get an engineer report then I would request one which addresses each modification and how it complies to the ADR it falls under, the emissions report, the exhaust noise report, the braking report at speeds from 100kmh, and a drive-by noise test report as the induction noise obviously has increased more than the standard induction noise. The certificate should also list the brake upgrades and any suspension upgrades.
Satria GTi's are piss easy to engineer with bigger wheels because they came with 16" standard.
The 2 litre turbo conversion will also be easy to have engineered due to it being 1800 DOHC EFI standard. The brake upgrade to EVO twin pot calipers would be required obviously to comply with having brakes equal or better than the car that the engine was out of.
The conversion itself looks great, neat and the person obviously took pride in the work. The intercooler behind the front bar is done well.
I'd have asked what you were getting for the $1500. Yould require the removal/replacement of some of the components for engineering but ultimately it can be done to due the GTi's standard OEM features and heritage to the Mitsubishi CC Mirage/Lancer/Cyborg chassis.

[Gezza]

Cheers for tht lot

Tomorrow i am gonna ring the dealer and tell them i want an engineers report done, just for peace of mind more than anything gonna have it on the contract any problems that are identified are to be rectified by them.

yeah i think thats right too they should not be selling a technically illegal car...

[Dean]

+1 for engineers report.
If something happens in the future, you'll shoot yourself for not having got it.