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Onr3e said:
my G4's served me well so far for a good 9mths now. no issues, cheap and for street is perfect and they sit very low with lots of room to go lower. G4 = D2. racing logic is same build quality but different factory from G4/D2. BC is REALLY good build quality for the price u pay. BC makes the relabeled apexi coils

u also gotta think about rebuild costs, some of those jap ones cost alot of moolah for rebuilds, teins can cost up to 400$ a shock for rebuild depending on how stuffed it is (base on a scan of a bill i saw from another guy who owned teins and had 2 of them rebuilt for 800$ total)

u can get g4's rebuilt at justcrap for about 80$ ;) and a shitload of spring selection for pretty cheap
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You make some good points there.

Though in the future if i do track the car, i guess I want something thats up to the job..I've just heard (and read) too many iffy things on the whole D2/G4/K Sport thing now.
Fair enough, i only want it for street mostly, though the Hotbits are a bit more expensive, in the scheme of things, its not that much more to pay...and from what i can gather theyre good units..the steel lower mount is another plus.

As for BC's, i class them the same as the G4/D2, i dont know persoanlly what theyre like..but theyre still along that cheap entry level coilover...Plus theyre on Ebay for about $1100...instead of that "wholesale" of $1500

Anyone with hotbits feedback, swing it my way
 
on a side note i would like to say that my mates have a drift gtr (not a kids one, sponsored one owned by a shop) that runs g4's and that car has copped some serious abuse and the g4's have held up :)

JAP63 said:
You make some good points there.

Though in the future if i do track the car, i guess I want something thats up to the job..I've just heard (and read) too many iffy things on the whole D2/G4/K Sport thing now.
Fair enough, i only want it for street mostly, though the Hotbits are a bit more expensive, in the scheme of things, its not that much more to pay...and from what i can gather theyre good units..the steel lower mount is another plus.

As for BC's, i class them the same as the G4/D2, i dont know persoanlly what theyre like..but theyre still along that cheap entry level coilover...Plus theyre on Ebay for about $1100...instead of that "wholesale" of $1500

Anyone with hotbits feedback, swing it my way
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I have a set of Kei Office coilovers for my lancer 2nd Hand 3yrs ago for $1400 and recommend them if you can find them.
 
Con - with Hotbits you have to use helper springs and the correct length main spring to get your ride height correct without sacrificing suspension travel. That's the down side of not having an adjustable foot.

Also expect to fit eccentric camber bolts to the struts, even if you get adjustable strut tops with them.

If you order Hotbits, be very clear on the ride height you want from them. The ones on my vr4, I can't get the rears low enough and I can't get the fronts high enough, not with the standard springs that they came with anyway. But why should I have to purchse more springs to make their product work properly.

In saying that, both WRCVR4 and I have caned the crap out of our Hotbits with "offroad" use and neither of us have had any problems with them.

Hotbits, like most of the adjustable coilovers out there now, are just rip offs of an old Bilstein design (whenthe patent ran out), which is light years behind current DMS, MCA, Ohlins, Reiger etc gear.
 
rob323 said:
Stop getting tats and save your pennies and go see Mr Coote and be done with it forever.
http://www.mcasuspension.com/main.htm
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Interesting, this Murray Coote knows his stuff then?

Your forgetting one thing though. Im not rallying it or racing it around a track, he will tell me just to go and bolts some g4's into it probably.
Fair enought that oldmates G4's have held up in their GTR..spose they have some credibility then..

Rob what on earth is the setup with these hotbits then? are you saying that the shok itself and the threads have the capacity to go very low, but you need to specify a spring length in order to give you a specific range..?
For example, if i called them and said I want me E3 around 300mm guard to centre...i want room to say go an inch lower and 2 inches higher then theyd make something to suit for me?


If these hotbits are ripoffs of ohlins or whatever, are they even any better (as a damper) than a G4/D2/KSport?
 
JAP63 said:
Interesting, this Murray Coote knows his stuff then?
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Yep, sure does.

Your forgetting one thing though. Im not rallying it or racing it around a track, he will tell me just to go and bolts some g4's into it probably.
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During my time playing with cars, I have spent nearly $2000 on konis and springs including having them revalved to suit my requirements, probably spent another $1500 on Bilsteins, and saved up as much as I could and spent around $2500 on Hotbits. Had I known back then what I know now, I could have saved myself some money and just got decent stuff like DMS or MCA in the first place. But yes I do expect a bit more from my suspension than your typical street hack. And I bet Dougmo and Lewis will tell you the same.


Fair enought that oldmates G4's have held up in their GTR..spose they have some credibility then..
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How on earth can drifting be used as a testament for suspension. There is probably no other form of motorsport that is so easy on a car's suspension.

Rob what on earth is the setup with these hotbits then? are you saying that the shok itself and the threads have the capacity to go very low, but you need to specify a spring length in order to give you a specific range..?
For example, if i called them and said I want me E3 around 300mm guard to centre...i want room to say go an inch lower and 2 inches higher then theyd make something to suit for me?
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My Hotbits, which were specifically for a vr4 (supposedly) seem to be a mismatch of shock bodies from other cars. They are not "ideal" for a vr4. My rear shocks are lowered as far as they will go without the spring becoming loose at full extension and it is the same as the stock ride height. My fronts have the helper spring fully compressed just to be able to get 120mm ground clearance, still 30mm less than stock. And I only have around 40mm in droop because of that.
So what I am saying, is to specifiy the ride height you want, and have them match the spring length and shock body length to make sure you still get maximum travel when at that height.

If these hotbits are ripoffs of ohlins or whatever, are they even any better (as a damper) than a G4/D2/KSport?
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Yes, Hotbits adjust both bump and rebound whereas the G4's I played with only adjusted rebound.
 
yah g4's are only rebound and no bump

u sure driftings easy on suspension? i thought it was hard on it lol

heard a few stories of people snapping their coils in half because of drifting before but not sure what suspension it was
 
How can a sport which requires loss of traction (the opposite of what good suspension is designed to do) on a nice smooth surface be tortuous on suspension? Required shock travel would be limited to about 1" at most.
 
rob323 said:
How can a sport which requires loss of traction (the opposite of what good suspension is designed to do) on a nice smooth surface be tortuous on suspension? Required shock travel would be limited to about 1" at most.
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dont know lol

good point then i guess

im not much of a suspension guy so dont know much in regards to that
 
why don't you speak to fulcrum, they could make up a set of bilstein coilovers using a bilstein mono tube shock, or any other bilstein shock that they sell
 
That sounds good actually, I'm in need of suspension for the Galant AMG and the only guys that do a set I'd actually be interested in are hotbits. But they are after 2k+ for a set.

Now, I'd go the non coilover option but the wheels I have are massive! 19"'s and wont clear unless I have some sort of coilovers.

The bilstien stuts that have been converted to coilovers, what springs would they use? do they just weld the thread onto the tube that is universal of specifically designed for that tube?

What would the price be approx?

I'd love to get the DMS coilovers for the VR4 but what to do with the hotbits I have now?

Jamie, you want to buy the hotbits and use them on your evo?
The fronts will work, the only difference is the strut top which is a noltec unit anyway, so I can keep that =)

As for rear, how different are VR4 rears to evo rears?
 
the bilsteins with the coil over springs will have platforms held in with circlips


rears are very different.
 
bazeng said:
I'd love to get the DMS coilovers for the VR4 but what to do with the hotbits I have now?

Jamie, you want to buy the hotbits and use them on your evo?
The fronts will work, the only difference is the strut top which is a noltec unit anyway, so I can keep that =)

As for rear, how different are VR4 rears to evo rears?
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Put the hotbits in the AMG.

Only difference between vr4 and evo rear struts is the bush in the lower mount - simply replace them with the appropriate different bush and roberts your mothers brother.
 
Wow I need to confirm this Squid, your saying a evo 1-3 coilover set fits a vr4 with only a simple bottom bush change.. The tophats bolt up fine in the rear?

foR
 
VR-4Squid said:
Put the hotbits in the AMG.

Only difference between vr4 and evo rear struts is the bush in the lower mount - simply replace them with the appropriate different bush and roberts your mothers brother.
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I can't, the AMG is FWD and uses different rears altogether.
 

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