What power should I be getting?

[fish]

Hey fellas, my 4g63 conversion is nearly complete motor is in, cooler piping is on its way, radiator is getting fixed and then all it needs is to be tuned and than its ready to roll. anyway, i had a question. how much power should I be looking at getting? my car has the following:

evo 1 4g63
TD05H-16G
pod filter
Microtech ecu
full exhaust
big front mount with aluminum piping
Bosch fuel pump

The engine has 140k's on it, but the thing runs like an absolute dream. it started up perfectly the first time, no tappet noise or anything (not sure if 4g63's do it like the 93's do?)

Anyway, anything over 170/180kw i'll be happy with. what do you reckon? i'm not saying that's what i'll get, i'm just saying if i get more than that i'll be happy.

OH and how much boost is that turbo able to run? and what do evo's generally run stock (boost)?

 

[olly]

evo stock boost is around the 8-10psi mark.

TD-05 16G can go up to 21psi before they lose efficiency i think.

as for how much power, it will depend on the tune and how much boost you are running.

 

[fish]

Well APC here in brissie are doing it, and they've got rediculously good skillz when it comes to tuning evo's so i'm guessing the tune will be pretty good, agressive, hopefully. i'll work that out later.

BUT, for a daily car, how much boost should I be running? whats a safe amount for a 4g63 with stock internals? how much power would i get if i was running 20psi with a good tune?

this is why i take it to them

That turbo is bigger than the engine itself :\

 

[3zercrowd]

evo stock boost is around the 8-10psi mark.

TD-05 16G can go up to 21psi before they lose efficiency i think.

as for how much power, it will depend on the tune and how much boost you are running.

BIG 16g 25psi

 

[crossam]

APC **Shudder** - bad experiences

If you want a good tuner speak to matt spry at Performance Injection Tuning Services (PITS), he is down on the gold coast but is well worth it.

Probably the best tuner in SE QLD

 

[EVO-00X]

170/180kw (230hp) atw is achievable with what you have. Mate has 14B on 21psi with 219hp atw so with a 16G and Microtech and tune the extra 11hp is a gimme. And yeah, 4G63T's do also suffer from the tappet noise like 4G93T's but its more evident in the 1.8 litre than 2 litre I found (both easily fixed with new lifters or change of oil)

 

[fish]

Okay I don't freakin get it. the 16g compared to the t25 on my sil80 is smaller, yet the 16g can handle more boost? why the hell is the housing on garret turbo's so huuuge. lol.

the fact that theres no lifter noise what so ever (yet) is definately a plus

Soooooo I know theres threads on this already, but what would I need to reach 200kw? I thought of heading down that road with my sil80 but meh, i'd rather more power in a awd. anyway, what would be needed?

sorry for the noob questions but as i've said before, i know jack all about evo stuff, but lots when it comes to s13's. bah.

 

[JAP63]

APC **Shudder** - bad experiences

If you want a good tuner speak to matt spry at Performance Injection Tuning Services (PITS), he is down on the gold coast but is well worth it.

Probably the best tuner in SE QLD

:twisted:
yeah right

 

[VR-4Squid]

Okay I don't freakin get it. the 16g compared to the t25 on my sil80 is smaller, yet the 16g can handle more boost? why the hell is the housing on garret turbo's so huuuge. lol.

Soooooo I know theres threads on this already, but what would I need to reach 200kw?

you think the t25's housings are hge, go find a CT26 of a toyota 3sgte (gt4) engine, massive - but crap.

depending on the dyno, 20psi should get you there - i've seen 185kW on 18psi from 16G's a whole buncha times (untuned too).

James' Evo1 made nearly 250kW with a stock 16G (not on pump gas tho)

 

[JAP63]

What's a good reliable @ wheels power figure from a Small 16G then ran at say 16 pound?

160Kw?

 

[fish]

yeah i'm interested too. what should i get my car tuned to run? what psi? i really wanna say 20psi

 

[tUfRiCe]

my evo 1 made 160kw at 16psi an went bang on 20psi....it'll run the boost but for how long mine only lasted a month an went bang on its first run at the track i rekon i was unlucky but hey bring on the forged motor that'll be good for 250kw's until then ill be workin out the calves on my push bike

 

[JAP63]

my evo 1 made 160kw at 16psi an went bang on 20psi....it'll run the boost but for how long mine only lasted a month an went bang on its first run at the track i rekon i was unlucky but hey bring on the forged motor that'll be good for 250kw's until then ill be workin out the calves on my push bike

What went bang?
motor or turbo?

 

[Liberoz]

what would a EII engine/turbo expect to get as a stock fresh rebuild standard internals & ecu.

Fish let us know what you get when she's done!

 

[fish]

well, the dyno readout was extremely disapointing, but the actual power and the feel of it kicking you back is unreal.

It got dyno'd at 157kw at all fours, on 14psi. I was expecting a fair bit more, so when i saw the graph, was mighty pissed off. luckily, 157kw in an awd is craploads faster than 187kw at the rear in an s13. straaaange. anyway, might put it up a bit. hoping to reach 200kw one day....

 

[CLuTZ]

well, the dyno readout was extremely disapointing, but the actual power and the feel of it kicking you back is unreal.

It got dyno'd at 157kw at all fours, on 14psi. I was expecting a fair bit more, so when i saw the graph, was mighty pissed off. luckily, 157kw in an awd is craploads faster than 187kw at the rear in an s13. straaaange. anyway, might put it up a bit. hoping to reach 200kw one day....

That sounds about right for 14psi, but realistically there's something wrong if all it can handle is 14 pound without detonation.

 

[fish]

i didn't say it couldn't handle more than 14psi...just need to up the boost. 14psi is what the mechanic tuned it on.

 

[JAP63]

Dont be dissapointed by that power..

My mates E3 made exactly the same power on 1 bar with a full exhaust only.

Its not a numbers game..as you said it will be a quick car on the street..with a Shitload of midrange which is what gets you away from the pack...

Ill be dynoing mine soon.
4G63
Small 16G (ported)
3 inch exh
Pump and reg
Pod an inlet piping
Cooler+piping

i hope to see around 160kw @ all 4 on around 16 pound.

 

[CLuTZ]

i didn't say it couldn't handle more than 14psi...just need to up the boost. 14psi is what the mechanic tuned it on.

yeah but how do you know how much is too much when you go upping the boost, if its not tuned for it?


I always thought that you tune your car for its peak power and limits- bring the timing back 10% and your away laughing?

 

[fish]

i dont know how much is too much. lol. i'll ask my mechanic tomorrow, gotta go pick up stuff anyway.