will this set up run a 20g set up safely?
- Thread starter milkandoj
- Start date
Help Support 4GTuner:
After much thinking its going to take $4 and easily blow out to $5K to do a 20g set up to a good standard.
Its unreaslistic for me to have that sort of money and aquire parts at any decent rate. the more i look into it the more costly it gets.
IM sure many people can relate to this. :x
Still iu think this thread has coverd som good stuff even if i choose another path.
i might go with a 16g set up, keep my standrad J-spec intercooler piping and run that for a bit, good gains for money spent i figure.
This guys done some great things :twisted:
http://vr4.co.nz/
and i think i can build a set up simular to his stage 3 set up, a few of his things have been redone so by doing simular things to his end result i will have a fast car.
He ran low 13's or 13 flat with stock piping.
And 12.2 with a few more things sorted (and stutter box, might not use that one lol)
So i recon i can keep costs under 3K and have a good set up.
By adding a 16G, fuel pump and reg, dump pipe to my first stage modds list i posted earler, i should have somehting that will entertain me for a while, not cost the world and i can always go bigger withough double spending later
Its unreaslistic for me to have that sort of money and aquire parts at any decent rate. the more i look into it the more costly it gets.
IM sure many people can relate to this. :x
Still iu think this thread has coverd som good stuff even if i choose another path.
i might go with a 16g set up, keep my standrad J-spec intercooler piping and run that for a bit, good gains for money spent i figure.
This guys done some great things :twisted:
http://vr4.co.nz/
and i think i can build a set up simular to his stage 3 set up, a few of his things have been redone so by doing simular things to his end result i will have a fast car.
He ran low 13's or 13 flat with stock piping.
And 12.2 with a few more things sorted (and stutter box, might not use that one lol)
So i recon i can keep costs under 3K and have a good set up.
By adding a 16G, fuel pump and reg, dump pipe to my first stage modds list i posted earler, i should have somehting that will entertain me for a while, not cost the world and i can always go bigger withough double spending later
iluszn
Well-Known Member
why dont you go
Fuel pump
510cc injectors
055/magna AFM with intake
pod filter
Chipped ECU to suit these.
on the standard 14b turbo for now. i would change the chipped ecu for a DSMLink atleast this allows you to upgrade and tune.
Then when you go to a 16g or 20g. you have everything needed to support, stock cooler and pipes should hold up ok for this.
Fuel pump
510cc injectors
055/magna AFM with intake
pod filter
Chipped ECU to suit these.
on the standard 14b turbo for now. i would change the chipped ecu for a DSMLink atleast this allows you to upgrade and tune.
Then when you go to a 16g or 20g. you have everything needed to support, stock cooler and pipes should hold up ok for this.
iluszn
Well-Known Member
I think that DSMLink is actually not a bad device at all. it allows the owner/user to tune there own vehicles.
If you havea chip written for you. everytime you make a decent change to your system, you have to go back and have that person re-tune your car. Atleast this will give you a chance to play with the tuning yourself..
In many ways the DSMLink is a better alternative to getting a chip tuned and written at great expense.
I know that I will be giving the DSMLink a shot in my car in the near future based on information and peoples experiences with the unit (DSM Forums).
I unfortunately dont have the luxury of spending 400 - 500 each time to get the car retuned to suit modifications or write my own chips.
also. as it sits in the stock computer, one less item for the cops to pick on you for.
If you havea chip written for you. everytime you make a decent change to your system, you have to go back and have that person re-tune your car. Atleast this will give you a chance to play with the tuning yourself..
In many ways the DSMLink is a better alternative to getting a chip tuned and written at great expense.
I know that I will be giving the DSMLink a shot in my car in the near future based on information and peoples experiences with the unit (DSM Forums).
I unfortunately dont have the luxury of spending 400 - 500 each time to get the car retuned to suit modifications or write my own chips.
also. as it sits in the stock computer, one less item for the cops to pick on you for.
CLuTZ
Diamonds are forever....
EVO85 said:CLuTZ said:
'iluszn' said it...'drivetrain loss'. I wasn't having a go, but 'milkandoj' does own a 4wd VR-4 and the same setup in his car obviously would not produce the same power figures at the wheels...
Perhaps you should read ALL of the thread :lol:
CLuTZ said:
iluszn said:
I pretty much are goin this set up now as i have these parts waiting to go in, just want a 16g while im at it lol.
I know ive gone a bit limp wristed over my first plans, but if im doing a slow build like i plan and might not have better intercooler pipes and a few other things for a yr or so, i dont think the extra flow of a 20g will be utilised as my pipes will be restricting it anyway, so the build around a 16g looks lik that way to go
3zercrowd
Donating Member
Cranked
Donating Members
Well i'm all for someone who can hook me up with a decent chip.
i've got a Safc,
Chipped ecu,
560cc Injectors,
055 Afm, K&n filter,
16g,
3inch exhaust,
264-272 cams,
Hybrid cooler plus piping,
cometic HG,
ARP headstuds,
255lph fuel pump,
Probably 18-20psi,
What kind of power would i expect with a chip and some fine tuning with the Safc or DSMlink is the other option. Anyone help?
Sean
i've got a Safc,
Chipped ecu,
560cc Injectors,
055 Afm, K&n filter,
16g,
3inch exhaust,
264-272 cams,
Hybrid cooler plus piping,
cometic HG,
ARP headstuds,
255lph fuel pump,
Probably 18-20psi,
What kind of power would i expect with a chip and some fine tuning with the Safc or DSMlink is the other option. Anyone help?
Sean
brisvr4
Member
I'd get your chip through Keydiver.
There is nothing that he doesn't know about chips!
www.dsmchips.com
There is nothing that he doesn't know about chips!
www.dsmchips.com
if im using the standard cooler pipes and a basic set up like i stated, can anyone see the point of a 20G over a 16G, i know theres more scope and ill need bigger injectors to go over 18psi on an 20G later down the track.
But with stock pipes is there any point to the larger 20g?
Will it just suck or be better?
Or stick with the 16G
But with stock pipes is there any point to the larger 20g?
Will it just suck or be better?
Or stick with the 16G
brisvr4
Member
If you are staying with a fairly stock setup I would just stick with a 16g for now.
If you decide to mod later you will probably want to go bigger than a 20g anyway
If you decide to mod later you will probably want to go bigger than a 20g anyway
iluszn
Well-Known Member
brisvr4 said:
Is this chip tunable by the user? Or is this like a chiptorque chip where you get it mapped and thats it. he states that you need SAFC still to tune after as he gets close to tune.
FROM DSMCHIPS
Q: Do I need an AFC or a piggy back system when I have installed the upgraded chip?
A: A lot depends upon the level of your mods, and how much boost you are trying to run. Although the changes I make to the Global Fuel and MAS Compensation are very close, making it much easier to tune, it is still recommended that you have some form of tuneability, such as an Air Fuel Computer or a GOOD adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator. Do you run different octane fuels at times? Do you have an upgraded fuelpump, but stock FPR? Running >20 psi of boost on pumpgas?
Q: Do I need to upgrade my injectors?
A: The best way to tell is to watch your injector duty cycle on a logger. RC has a nice injector calculator: www.rceng.com
I sell the popular FIC Delphi injectors, and throw in FREE shipping when you buy a chip or upgrade! http://www.dsmchips.com/fic.html
I can not see how this would be any better than the DSMLink? But . its another option..
iluszn
Well-Known Member
t04garret: have you used a DSMLink before? Any reason you would choose a custom chip over a DSMLink? Wouldn't mind hearing about your first hand experience with the item in question to substantiate your comment
