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RVR HSG Head Rebuild - Now vibrating violently/no power

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Certain silicon type things have different hardness scales, I've taken these quotes from various websites. Note that the first shore A scale numbers are for Devcon Flexane which has a 60, 80 and 94 hardness. The Sikaflex hardness numbers are at the end of post. 

There are a number of firmness or "durometer" levels offered. These are:

["60A - For the Daily Driver - This is the softest formula offered that will still make a noticeable difference in vehicle performance. This softer formula is best for tuners that still want to increase performance without trading off as much personal comfort.

80A - Even trade off between performance and vibration when it comes to motor mount inserts. This formula is the most popular for it's ability to significantly increase vehicle performance while still allowing some small amount of flex in the mounts to keep vibration and noise to reasonable levels

94A - Race Quality - Not for the daily driver. This formula is the hardest of the 3 available. Providing the best reduction in motor movement - this version will also allow a rather significant amount of engine vibration to be transmitted into the vehicle.

http://www.energysus...unt-Inserts.asp

Window weld has a rated 55A hardness. Commercial mounts have a hardness rating of 60A for street vehicles. So the vibes shouldnt be too bad. The 75A are recommend for street and track vehicles that make more than average horsepower. This rating of bushing is also for those that would like a stiffer feel and less engine flex. The 85A Grey bushings designed specifically for race cars or drivers that seek a solid engine mount kit.
The thread originated here on ClubRSX."]

 

Sikaflex is probably the most readily available polyurethane for us to find and is probably the most cost effective

 

Sikaflex; 291 = 45-50 shore A

              227 = 40 shore A

              252 = 55 shore A

              255 = 60 shore A

 

It comes down to personal preference, DIY gives someone the options to get the right hardness for what they want AND it's cheaper than OEM or aftermarket   

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Lol thanks guys!! Ok so I got it back, they said they redid the timing to be one tooth retarded as opposed to how they set it originally which was one tooth advanced.
 
Cheers, Mike!


I wouldn't trust them that this is set right now too. Check the timing marks for your peace of mind. ;)
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Im so disappointed with the car, it still doesnt seem quite right but I cant put my finger on it. It is running fairly rough on idle and the engine seems alot louder mechanically when you put you foor down a bit. Not sure whats up with it. I got them to change the plugs when they did the work. I might have a look at them and change the leads. hmmmm just not sure :(

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Why Leon? Whats wrong with urethane mounts? Best thing I ever did on my car. And they wont fuck out like the shitty rubber ones do.

Please explain your logic, as I disagree.

 

I thought I was pretty clear why, I find polyurethane mounts (made for DSMs) “too hard”.  Now, I realize that everyone has their own threshold of what is acceptable, some people do not mind solid (metal) mounts.  However, I am not one of them.  It is also possible that EVO’s have a softer version of poly mounts, I can’t comment on them.

 

But I have had great results with Window welded mounts!    My GVR4 http://www.4gtuner.com/topic/20077-new-galant-vr4-from-usa/  came with poly mounts installed by PO and I HATED every day drove it for almost a year! Installing Window Welded stock mounts made is a MUCH better driving experience.  I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner.

 

And if my 450hp Summit can do fine with Window Welded mounts, why would most people need anything else.  Oh, and it is also much cheaper ;).


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Im so disappointed with the car, it still doesnt seem quite right but I cant put my finger on it. It is running fairly rough on idle and the engine seems alot louder mechanically when you put you foor down a bit. Not sure whats up with it. I got them to change the plugs when they did the work. I might have a look at them and change the leads. hmmmm just not sure :(


Disconnect your battery before you drive again. With that vacuum hose off your fuel trims are way of now. This may fix your idle too.
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Yea good thinking. I hope this helps! If not what should I do? Woukd it be worth takjng to a tuning shop at all? Is there much they could do? I cant pinpoint the issue :(

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Each to their own Leon.
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This bunch of misfits you took the car too sound like a bunch of fuckwits.As for the mounts Prothane are the best. Cheap as and last forever. Search my content for a link to their stuff. I have them in my car best thing I ever did.


Ordering some tonight off Ebay. $140 delivered from US I didnt think was too bad!!

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Ordering some tonight off Ebay. $140 delivered from US I didnt think was too bad!!

 

You wont regret it. I love mine.
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Anyone know what else could be causing the poor idle? Could they have put the vacuum lines to the wrong pipes? The new spark plugs I had put in are BPR6ES so I don't think it is the plugs and the leads seem fine and were working perfectly before i put the car in. Any recommendations at all? Should I just take it to a performance mechanics?

 

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Anyone know what else could be causing the poor idle? Could they have put the vacuum lines to the wrong pipes? The new spark plugs I had put in are BPR6ES so I don't think it is the plugs and the leads seem fine and were working perfectly before i put the car in. Any recommendations at all? Should I just take it to a performance mechanics?
 
Cheers, Mike


If you're just closer to Sydney..........

Try reseting the idle. Search the net on how to. Earth plug is just behind brake booster on firewall.
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How clean is your throttle body? My 6 bolt idled like crap but once I cleaned up the TB it was a bit better, not saying that is the whole cause of the problem, but it's all a process of elimination.
 
I took it off to clean it, got right in there with carby cleaner and compressed air.
 
Does it run better at higher revs? Did the mechanics touch any of the BISS settings? Another thing it might be is TPS, unplug it and see if it makes a difference, that way it will eliminate that as the problem. If it is you can adjust it.

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 Another thing it might be is the IAC which is the thing at the bottom of the TB that has water lines going into it. I didn't remove mine I just used carby cleaner and compressed air.
 
Eliminating things will reveal the issue.
 
So, step 1; Unplug the TPS wires and see if it idles differently and set it if necessary
 
              2; Clean the whole TB concentrating on the openings to the IAC.
 
              3; Sit down tick these two off the list and have a beer.
 
I went to my mancave and took a heap of pics, but then I found this, which is better than my pics

http://www.celicahob...erly-Clean.html


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Thanks ben!!

The car is going back in tomorrow, and it has developed a terrible whinny noise comibg from thw timing belt. Seriously this is getting ridiculous. I will let them have one more go then im going to take it somewhere else and try to recover some money from the original mechanics.

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Dont clean the afm tho. Wrecks them.
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Dont clean the afm tho. Wrecks them.


Hmmmm they said they had my TB out and cleaned it then they did the head. Wonder if they screwed something else?

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Im really feeling for you mike.
You could have got it stuffed up by someone for free, at least you wouldnt have paid for the privilege as well.

Bloody amateurs.
Hope it gets sorted.
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Im really feeling for you mike.
You could have got it stuffed up by someone for free, at least you wouldnt have paid for the privilege as well.

Bloody amateurs.
Hope it gets sorted.

 

Yea man cheers, so devastated, you invest all this money and your time into research just for someone to go and mess it up.

Anyway guys just wanting to confirm that the engine mount in the pic below is part number MB948001? This on mine is well and truly screwed!

 

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Yea man cheers, so devastated, you invest all this money and your time into research just for someone to go and mess it up.


That's why I do everything myself, at least that way if it's wrecked, it's wrecked just the way I want it. :P


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Ok guys!!!

SOOOOO the car is finally running beautifully as far as the vibrations and the power. The car is revving great and has plenty of power.  However my car has now developed an odd noise. It seems to be a loud high pitched whirring noise on idle and decompression, however goes away on acceleration. I don't think its a belt maybe a vacuum leak? Here is a quick video, I think the tapping noise is the lifters settling, they have only done 75kms haha.

 




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