Guess.. - now with Dynosheet and Timeslip

[-GLI-747-]

soz thats worded bad.... jon said that forged engine has nothing to with power... all it does is make it stronger and able to run more boost.... correct me if im wrong but running more boost generally creates power???

so how does that work... engine rebuild has everything to do with making power......

Yes, That's correct - But Jon is saying that forgies will not add power to your car ( by themselves ).

Of course though, it gives you the option to run more boost through them, whilst still being relatively safe, compared to non forged internals.

so yes an engine rebuild does help when it comes to aquiring more power, although it's the add-ons to the engine that make it.

 

[MADVR4]

tuning is every agreed.... but tell me why would u risk putting 20-25psi thru a engine that is 12-15 years old.... im not saying all engines will blow p... look at dres car 27psi on std internals.... but as far as making huge power is concerned... u will need ur internals forged....

so jon cant really compare kyps 1.8 to madevo at all becoz kyp has the internals and can safely run huge boost.....

cheers

 

[JSTYLE]

tuning is every agreed.... but tell me why would u risk putting 20-25psi thru a engine that is 12-15 years old.... im not saying all engines will blow p... look at dres car 27psi on std internals.... but as far as making huge power is concerned... u will need ur internals forged....

so jon cant really compare kyps 1.8 to madevo at all becoz kyp has the internals and can safely run huge boost.....

cheers

An engine will only blow up if it isnt tuned properly, thats what it comes down to. If you have a good tuner they can pin point where the weaknesses are and work around them.

Ive already said my engine has only done 5000km!!! It was only rebuilt this year.. and its got stock internals.. i can see my motor holding around 220kw before it starts to get messy with the rods.

In regards to kyp's motor i said that it made 242kw on 19psi!! I wouldnt say 19psi is huge huge boost..

Jon

 

[MADVR4]

do u know that for a fact..... and yes 220.... hmmm isnt that what i said that alexs car got b4 it wasnt running the best..... if the engine is under to much stress it will break... the more power the more stress... so no not all engines will hold up depending on turner there are other facter such as how well the engine has been maintained over the course of its life.... what type of fuel and oil is used.... etc


i would say kyp is running more boost then 19 down the track.... considering the mech we goto is best mates with kyp and gets all his turbos thru kyp.... and he told us kyp was running serious boost down the track


do u aim to run 25psi on stock inernals jon?
if not then dont worry about it... but i doubt u will go over the 220-240 mark without having issues

 

[-GLI-747-]

do u aim to run 25psi on stock inernals jon?
if not then dont worry about it... but i doubt u will go over the 220-240 mark without having issues

I think he realises this.

Ive already said my engine has only done 5000km!!! It was only rebuilt this year.. and its got stock internals.. i can see my motor holding around 220kw before it starts to get messy with the rods.

 

[JSTYLE]

Efficentcy of a stock 16g turbo runs out at around 22psi mark.

Kyps car ran 27psi when it did the low 11. It made around 280AWKW, the fuel used was half c16 and half pump fuel.

As Lachlan has already pointed out.. i already know the limitations of a stock motor and im not going to try exceed them.

My car isnt a 'drag' car.. at the moment im seeing what times its capable then after that its going to be turned into a tarmac car.

Jon

 

[JSTYLE]

Went to calder tonite, did the following:

13.19 @ 110.78mph 1.9 60' (missed second gear)
12.69 @ 110.15mph 1.98 60'
12.669 @ 111.04mph 2.0 60'
12.578 @ 108.82mph 1.844 60'
12.548 @ 111.2mph 1.97 60'
12.44 @ 112mph 1.863 60'

Was rained out, otherwise the car would of probably gone quicker!!!

Jon

 

[Benny]

Damn thats quick, stuff me....112 is really really moving for a 16G on pump.
Get your 60's any lower mate?

Well done.

 

[Rallyant]

good shit dude.
You can make dynos lie. you cant make 1/4 results lie.

ill still kick ya arse next time out

 

[bindolla]

thats awesome time jon...getting closer n closer ay...

wut'd u do to get the extra trap speed?

 

[CLuTZ]

Okay boys, lets not forget engine compression. Std 6-bolt VR4 blocks can handle 30+ psi, like it was said before, its all in a tune.


Your higher compression 2g engine could handle less psi but would make more power on paper (with the right tune), and lets not forget a 12.44 is Damn impressive, from any 4G engine.


Considering OVR4U did a 12.5@109 with tthe street setup- 202kw atw and around 1400kg+, Jons car should be making 10% less power to make up for the weight, so I'm sayin it makes 181kw, atw.


dre

 

[JSTYLE]

lol dre it makes 187kw!! and yer it went 112mph.. almost the same trap speed as when you ran the 12.03 @ 113mph.. so its moving..

its yer a stock 16g turbo on pump (synergy 8000).. i dont even know if its a big or small.. its also an evo 3 motor with the high comp etc..

What did i do to get the higher trap speeds? well.. i removed my tein's from the rear cos they are stiff as.. put some stock suspension bak in so the car can squat abit more.. its not doing as much as i hope it would do because my 60's are still around the 1.85 mark.. thats really pathetic for an AWD turbo car. So maybe i might put some stock front suspension in.. i have to play around with the setup of the car to figure out whats the best combination.

I figure once i get my 60's down to around a 1.7 it should break into the high 11s with the speed its running.

Jon

 

[oscar]

Good work Jon,U need to get 1.7 60" to get a low 12.

 

[CLuTZ]

lol dre it makes 187kw!!

As if i'd read the whole thread!!!


I was close though!



It takes a while setting up your car and getting it right, my 60ft's were pretty average at 1.86 when I did that 12.0, there is alot of time to save from the start, you certainly have the trap speed, all you need to do is convert it at the start!!!


lets not forget there's a guy here in N.Z doing tens on a big16g!!!

kinda gives you hope huh!



dre

 

[JSTYLE]

what car is doing 10's on a 16g in nz? is it on the giggly and is it a full race car?

Jon

 

[CLuTZ]

what car is doing 10's on a 16g in nz? is it on the giggly and is it a full race car?

Jon

http://forums.nzmmc.co.nz/viewtopic.php?t=42955&highlight=16g

 

[BobWrinkle]

WTF why would you want it to squat?

Sag(squat) in suspension takes time and energy out of your launch. RWDs are the only cars that need to squat as they need to get more down force on the back wheels.

If I am missing the point please explain.

 

[GSRSOL]

WTF why would you want it to squat?

Sag(squat) in suspension takes time and energy out of your launch. RWDs are the only cars that need to squat as they need to get more down force on the back wheels.

If I am missing the point please explain.

what he said

 

[bazeng]

i agree with the squat, but his times did improve ?!?!

could be that the rear has lsd and the front doesn't?? (on evos)

so rear traction might be more effective?!?!

lol.. hope to see an 11 at heathcote jonny boy!!
ill run ya in FWD!!!

 

[bazeng]

also 112 mph is damn fast!!

that purple s14 we ran last time at heathcote ran a 105 mph with 170kw's at the rear treads...

we retuned it and made 184kw's at the rear...
that thing is pretty quick on the street!
your evo must be moving now mate!